I,ve thougt about it. Most dw seem to have hose thread now.

It wouldn,t pull out as well

I asuume u know of the 3/8 comoresion pex crap and were referring to 1/2 pex

 

Copper or a braided hose, they are the strongest and most durable.

 

I,ve tried to find 20'lengths of braded hose to save on couplings,but can,t find a decent supplier.

Its seems it would be better to run in the walls tan PEX

 

You can put those in walls?

 

I have installed 3/8"od pex on hundreds of dishwashers without problems. It must be done right or it will blow out. No dope on the plastic ferrel. Crank it down ALL the way. Make sure the pex is fully inserted into the fitting as you tighten it.

 

Also, don't forget to use an insert in the pex.





Paul

 

You dont need an insert on 3/8 od pex with a plastic ferrule( in my experience)....but inserts are in general a good idea. We have also done hundreds in residential new work and roger that tighten down all the way....

 

i have installed thousands of 3/8" pex supplies in my time, use a poly ferrule and no dope, tighten securely and walk away.

 

When you have a plumber putting in a less than $2.00 component against a $7 to $10 braided stainless steel supply that you can tell is of good quality,


Who has the better representation of themselves as a plumber and plumbing company.



I already know the answer.

 

No you dont :laughing:......

Ok, your game...
Mrs Smith see this beautiful kitchen....
Yes, the cabinets are lovely and the tile is divine.....would you please undo the 4 little black screws from the bottom of the dishwasher and expose the supply line....I like to know that a quality plumber did my house and used stainless steel braided supplies.....oooh, they look soooo professional


The moment you walked thru the door , I could tell you were a man of distinction .......:whistling2:...Hey big spender>>>>>>>

 

Show of hands, who has seen what a poisoned rodent does to a dishwasher drain hose? Ever seen a rodent chew through copper or a braided hose?

 

spoiled sport.....and what is a rodent doing in the kitchen,

 

Is it really that much more money?

I mean , my God.


And yes, I use 3/8 copper.

 

Is it really that much more money?

I mean , my God.


And yes, I use 3/8 copper.

Yeth it ith more money:laughing:...and multiply it by 100 houtheth each year and that could pay for a brand new fishing reel:laughing:

 

Is this the same argument some plumbers use to justify not putting a female adapter for the hosebib? I mean c'mon, what's an extra $5-10 on a $15,000 job... Also, is the markup on pex higher than the markup on a braided hose?

 

Thinking new construction is slightly different than service....In service you charge for the part ..usually( I use braided )... In new its bid in and saving $100 on a house that is $7000 is not considered petty....and pex d/w supply is not the cheap out area.....all cpvc adapters no brass, and cpvc valves are a sign of schlok

 

thank god we don't have hardly any cpvc down here, probably would have shot myself by now.

 

thank god we don't have hardly any cpvc down here, probably would have shot myself by now.

This place is plumbed to the high heavens with cpvc, i live in a house with cpvc, luckily I haven't had problems yet, all the post 1998 houses here have cpvc. Believe it or not it holds up ok here if it's installed right, my house was plumbed well, so I'm one of the lucky ones.

 

Mpeepee said it was stronger than 1/2" pex.

 

99.9% of customers want a guarantee that it won't leak and that's it.

I prefer to use 4 layer stainless steel braided lines when practical though due to idiot proofing. It's just to easy for an employee to flip a ferrel or forget to tighten it all the way. A SS line will just drip if installed wrong, a pex line will blow off and flood a place with a quickness if not installed correctly.

Pex is more resistant to chemicals though. It's the old story, the right material for the right application.

 

I like the braided supplies for appliances.

I've hooked up a few that had integral PEX supplies (flared with a tiny Supplier provided 3/8" O-Ring). I don't feel so good about those installations.

I'm sold on PEX, but that doesn't mean I'm sold on the OEM connections.

 

I like the braided supplies for appliances.

I've hooked up a few that had integral PEX supplies (flared with a tiny Supplier provided 3/8" O-Ring). I don't feel so good about those installations.

I'm sold on PEX, but that doesn't mean I'm sold on the OEM connections.

which PEX system are you sold on ?
sorry .what PEX system are you currently using ?

 

I have only run copper or braided..

forgive my ignorance please,

are you using pre fab supply hoses that are made out of pex and adding a plastic ferrule and nut at one end ,

or are you cutting it off a roll and adding nut and ferrule at both ends ?

if so, which type of pex do you use ?

 

I have only run copper or braided..

forgive my ignorance please,

are you using pre fab supply hoses that are made out of pex and adding a plastic ferrule and nut at one end ,

or are you cutting it off a roll and adding nut and ferrule at both ends ?

if so, which type of pex do you use ?

that

 

I have to jump in and add my 2 cents. My company installs about 200 DW a year.

1. copper can not handle some of the tight spaces that are under the new DW
2. braided is what the stores sell to the customers, and I'm required to install. I have had a couple leak.
3. 3/8 pex on a roll with plastic Ferrell is my Favorite. ( cut open braided and you will see pex inside) No call backs on pex.

If a rodent chews through the water line, not my problem. They chew through wood should we get rid of wood?

With braided or pex, I can attach to the DW first and make my final connection under the sink last

 

I have to jump in and add my 2 cents. My company installs about 200 DW a year.

1. copper can not handle some of the tight spaces that are under the new DW
2. braided is what the stores sell to the customers, and I'm required to install. I have had a couple leak.
3. 3/8 pex on a roll with plastic Ferrell is my Favorite. ( cut open braided and you will see pex inside) No call backs on pex.

If a rodent chews through the water line, not my problem. They chew through wood should we get rid of wood?

With braided or pex, I can attach to the DW first and make my final connection under the sink last

That's what I'm saying. They chew through PVC and CPVC as well. They damn sure chew through romex cables, should we get rid of those? If you have disease carrying vermin running around get rid of them! They piss and sh!t everywhere, a water leak is the last thing I'd be worried about!

 

Google "Terrible Discoveries Albums" and you'll find me, my plastic pipe and fitting atrocities and many many discussions since 2002 where I took the high road.


What works for me may not work for you. I'm not special... I just care a little more than some of you.

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Kapish.



Wow, 1st on google with 1.8 million results. SAAAAAAAAAAAAAWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!

 

I just searched, and it said site unavailable due to site maintenance.

 

SS dishwasher supplies are for HOs and inexperienced helpers IMO. Sorry Dunbar, a solid pipe is more profesional.

SS supplies are simple and easy period.

 

I prefer copper for connecting DW. I prefer to keep my pex in the walls (that is propex).

You guys that are using pex for dishwasher supplies are probably the same guys that are stubbing pex out of the walls under cabinets. What a flimsy A** angle stop! But you saved a few bucks on a copper stub out and a pex adapter.

Quality does count and will help your buisiness to succeed

 

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I do it the good old way
I do it the new improved way
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Jeebus Cripes. . . . .

Just cinch it up and move on.

Y'all wouldn't believe the different ways I've hooked up dish washers over the years.

1/2" OD

1/2" ID

Soft copper.

Rigid copper.

Type K.

Type L.

Braided.

Push fittings.

Compression fittings.

Flared fittings.

The list goes on. . . . .

Y'all want to know what really matters? -- It's being able to walk away from an installation and still get a good nights sleep.

I have enough things keeping me awake at night -- The very last thing I need is an installation practice that intrudes upon my dreams and jars me awake. I need my 'beauty sleep'. Trust me, I need my beauty sleep.

The reality is you need to stick with the tried and proven, essentially what makes you feel comfortable.

What makes me comfortable these days are braided supplies with a compressible brass insert -- No O-Rings or compressible cone washers.

Soft copper and brass ferrules will accomplish the same task -- Unfortunately, they will, over time, succumb to incipient hammering every time that solenoid slams open and slams shut.

 

I'm going to rag on soft copper for a minute

As much as I like copper I have to say that those humbling years "in the beginning" were not the best.


Bending toilet supplies, lav supplies between two fixed positions were never easy... sometimes they'd kink.


The chrome type? Discoloring from the go, urine and household chemicals always made what should look new for some time, look rough.


The connections almost always leaked at the compression connections to the valve.

The green patina always gave it away.

Seeing that the ferrule collapsed the piping on both sides of the ferrule indicated that overtighteining was the direct result to stop a leak, most times.


As when stainless steel supply lines came out, the flexible types, I was hesitant, waited to see if their life would be short.

Now, it's common, very common. You can buy a high grade braided line which I make a point of purchasing. A toilet supply line I bought, 12" was $6.49.

When I'm charging $8 or $10 for that line, it's expected. If you're charging that much for that same line in PEX, shame on you.



F-ing hilarious this topic is about defending the cheap ass products of plumbing and not what's the best that money can buy for added benefit to the customer.

I run 1500psi through these same stainless steel flexible supply lines.

I'd say that's a hell of a testament.


Why would anyone trust water pressure of any kind to a two dollar component.

 

Trying to loosen the compression nut on a stop for a copper supply line, pex, etc. Is a pain in the arse when the stub out Is cpvc. Talking bout some some scary stuff.