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Someone said in another thread that manufacturers watch sites like this. Lets list products here that we would like to see made better, or products that have potential problems. Name the product, then under it name what is wrong with it. Please be nice, no need in sarcasm. If we voice our opinion on what is wrong with certain products maybe they will change them. I will start.

Kohler toilets:
Do not self wash very well.
 

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American Water Heaters: FVIR system design is very poor and plugs up very easily with dust and lint causing severe reliability issues.

Kohler Parts: Too many different parts with every product reinventing the wheel. All the different parts are never stocked even at the factory level. Building product on base designs could end the nightmare.
 

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Kohler fill valves I replace so many of them on toilets new install or Installed as replacement for float ball fill valves in a year or less. Not happy with the way Kohler toilets flush. Many back ups or leaves poop stain in bowl.

Ridgid toilet augers are junk.
 

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All Kohler parts . WAY to many things to order .

Kohler pressure Balancing valves .

Kohler toilets

Pretty much American Standard everything. ( God that is sad to write )

AOSmith waterheaters are very below standard now.

Price Pfister EVERYTHING !

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On Man I forgot about Glacier Bay. I tried to block their products and name from my mind.
 

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They're available...Had to order one just the other day.

i wish delta would bring back 2 handle tub/shw. faucets.
 

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I will only install LDR plumbing fixtures and parts. They are by far the best!:laughing:
You may or may not know this, LDR stands for Larry, Dave, and Ron, they are the three brothers that founded the company, their main warehouse is on Cicero Ave just south of 290. The three of them modeled their import business off the success of Harold Isaacs and his HICO import business, which has it's main warehouse at 32nd and California Ave. They are part of the group of pioneers that brought foreign made plumbing products into wholesale distribution, Jones Stephens took the ball and ran with it and made it a national thing.
 

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i never heard of LDR? if they are distributers of foreign made plumbing products Larry, Dave&Ron they can kiss my red - white - &- blue ASS!!!!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
 

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You may or may not know this, LDR stands for Larry, Dave, and Ron, they are the three brothers that founded the company, their main warehouse is on Cicero Ave just south of 290. The three of them modeled their import business off the success of Harold Isaacs and his HICO import business, which has it's main warehouse at 32nd and California Ave. They are part of the group of pioneers that brought foreign made plumbing products into wholesale distribution, Jones Stephens took the ball and ran with it and made it a national thing.

Wow I never did know that. Thank you for the little history lesson. I have to admit one sad truth. I have a LDR faucet handle puller which is the best one I ever used.
 

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Why do almost all tub spout diverters leak by some when activated ? Why not extend the horn on the bottom of toilets so that it makes into the toilet flange about an inch or two ? This would eliminate 90% of water leaks at the base of toilets. ;)
 

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Wow I never did know that. Thank you for the little history lesson. I have to admit one sad truth. I have a LDR faucet handle puller which is the best one I ever used.
My intention wasn't to shame anyone, more to show how and why imported products got popular in the plumbing industry, supply houses have profit over product as their main goal, and they will buy product for resale from the cheapest source to increase profit margins. I was not trying to imply that there is anything wrong in buying these products from your supplier, in a lot of cases they offer no alternative.
 

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B & K faucets
The single lever lav faucets leak aroung the handle straight out of the box. Comes with a wrench to tighten it with. Delta look alike, or copy cat. Tub/shower valves leak water through the spout brand new. Won't shut off :ban:
 

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Apcom electric water heater thermostats. The case always pops open which causes the stat to fail in the on position. The last 15-20 stats I've replaced were Apcoms(instead of thermodisk).

If there are any heater manufacturers out there watching, DON"T USE APCOM BRAND THERMOSTATS until they make a serious design change.
 

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Ever tried to repair the ballcock that comes in a Drake toilet tank? Holy Moly. Gimme a fluid master any day.
 

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My intention wasn't to shame anyone, more to show how and why imported products got popular in the plumbing industry, supply houses have profit over product as their main goal, and they will buy product for resale from the cheapest source to increase profit margins. I was not trying to imply that there is anything wrong in buying these products from your supplier, in a lot of cases they offer no alternative.
Oh I was not shamed.. I truly appreciate the education. Plumbing history is about the only history I enjoy. I buy up all sorts of old old steam, pipe fitting, boilers, plumbing and code books I can get my hands on. And learning the history behind a company that supplies plumbing stuffs is good too.

About the suppliers selling crap as your only alternative, I agree 100% thats why I have accounts with 20 different supply houses. If one stops carrying what I like then I move on to the other. Like when the supply house I bought my Bradford White water heaters from went to Rheem I found a new supply house.
 

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State used to make a water heater with a knob on the bottom that stuck out from the APCOM thermostat. Bumping it would wreck the thermostat. Oh, yeah, good design.
 
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