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I'm sure there's an obvious reason, but can anyone tell me why a toilet horn doesn't extend an inch or two into the flange, virtually eliminating 99% of all flange water leaks? Or did I just answer my own question?:blink:
Greater chance of ripping it out with an auger my guess.
 

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The old toilet had a longer outlet on the bottom of them. todays new toilet don't, no answer other then cheaper to manufacture them.
 

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I'm sure there's an obvious reason, but can anyone tell me why a toilet horn doesn't extend an inch or two into the flange, virtually eliminating 99% of all flange water leaks? Or did I just answer my own question?:blink:
with the flange at the proper height. ie. on top of the floor not below as with a tile floor. The horn is lower than the flange. That sure does help with leakage thats for sure.
 

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I'm sure there's an obvious reason, but can anyone tell me why a toilet horn doesn't extend an inch or two into the flange, virtually eliminating 99% of all flange water leaks? Or did I just answer my own question?:blink:


Just like saysflushable said,


fernco type seal made right into the base of the toilet. It will work just like anytihing else and I can codes accepting it instantly since it dumbs the trade down even further.

Toilet with a small ported hole to an allen screw connection to tighten up to 3" protruding the floor. Screws to hold it down will be built into the base, clipped, and all you gotta have is 2" of pipe sticking out of the floor, unsecured even.

Instant success for the millionaire who gets this approved. Start comparing longevity standards of a fernco to wax....


tell me which one would have a higher probability of damage occurring, given how easily the wax ring has failed over the years.
 

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I'm sure there's an obvious reason, but can anyone tell me why a toilet horn doesn't extend an inch or two into the flange, virtually eliminating 99% of all flange water leaks? Or did I just answer my own question?:blink:
Are you talking about the toilet it's self or the horned wax ring?
 

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Check out the Ultra-Seal. Predco used to make it. They were bought. I can't remember off the top off my head who bought them.

I haven't used wax rings in years.
 

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The old toilet had a longer outlet on the bottom of them. todays new toilet don't, no answer other then cheaper to manufacture them.
Hey, speaking of that, remember when toilet tanks used to come sitting on two small blocks of wood in the bottom of the box? My dad would save them and sand them. We had tons of them to play with when we were kids. My folks still have them and they are over 30 years old.
 

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Just like saysflushable said,


fernco type seal made right into the base of the toilet. It will work just like anytihing else and I can codes accepting it instantly since it dumbs the trade down even further.

Toilet with a small ported hole to an allen screw connection to tighten up to 3" protruding the floor. Screws to hold it down will be built into the base, clipped, and all you gotta have is 2" of pipe sticking out of the floor, unsecured even.

Instant success for the millionaire who gets this approved. Start comparing longevity standards of a fernco to wax....


tell me which one would have a higher probability of damage occurring, given how easily the wax ring has failed over the years.
I know I'm going over the line now but I wish toilets were not supported by our plumbing system. I don't like having the toilet flange securing the toilet, I think it should be a seperate carrier. completely independent of my pipes and flanges. That said I really dislike the old four bolt toilets with the 2 anchors in the floor
 

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Hey, speaking of that, remember when toilet tanks used to come sitting on two small blocks of wood in the bottom of the box? My dad would save them and sand them. We had tons of them to play with when we were kids. My folks still have them and they are over 30 years old.
Sorry 22 I don't recall them.
 

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wrong answer

I'm In Chicago NOW and pull a lot of toilets with putty!!! We do use "horned" wax rings, if you have a 4" CI Recessed collar you BETTER use one, if not you will get a blockage (or poor flushing) around 6-12 months later. the "horn" forces everything to drop straight into the Cast Iron and not catch on the lip of the flange..

Wax rings aren't big enough for cast iron collars. For cast iron, you need to use the foam or putty. I wish I took pictures of three toilets I pulled as part of a chemical plant remodel. The chimp plumbers installed horned wax rings on cast iron collars and the wax merely slid down into the deep collar. I use the beige foam gaskets with the holes punched into them. The johny bolts slide thru the holes and keep the gasket in place. Nice.
 

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what I hated were cheap houses or trailers that the plastic pipe and flange is so loose on the floor that YOU ALMOST have to use a long bolt up thru the floor @ thru the toilet and then tell the overweight HO to set her big arsh down easier after you have set the toilet several times for the RENT MAN or SLUM LORD those days are gone for me I hope???
 

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Always used hornless rings in New York the set toilet in plaster never had a problem. Now in Colorado everone uses horns. Because the crappy plumbers here always have flanges below floor. That why I won't put a flange on until after tile.
 

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Always used hornless rings in New York the set toilet in plaster never had a problem. Now in Colorado everone uses horns. Because the crappy plumbers here always have flanges below floor. That why I won't put a flange on until after tile.
Whats the horn do when the flange is below the floor? If the flange is below the floor then your wax is not even going to seal horn or not. When replacing a wax seal,MAKE THE FLANGE RIGHT.:blink:
 

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wax, putty ,horn, no horn, gasket?

Whats the horn do when the flange is below the floor? If the flange is below the floor then your wax is not even going to seal horn or not. When replacing a wax seal,MAKE THE FLANGE RIGHT.:blink:
For a moment, I thought that I was on the DIY site. After 6 pages of wax rings, putty, yada yada yada, come on guys,isn't this a professional site? After 20 yrs. in service, I and you have seen it all,right? The Master is correct, make it right. If the HO or GC don't want it correct, well document it and move on. We have other issues here besides how to set a friggin w/c. Thank God I live south of I-80!
 

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For a moment, I thought that I was on the DIY site. After 6 pages of wax rings, putty, yada yada yada, come on guys,isn't this a professional site? After 20 yrs. in service, I and you have seen it all,right? The Master is correct, make it right. If the HO or GC don't want it correct, well document it and move on. We have other issues here besides how to set a friggin w/c. Thank God I live south of I-80!
What are they, Lets get on um. I'm ready..:laughing:
 
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