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Alright its been a year of me giving these Flexsh*t machines the benefit of the doubt. I have decided its time for me to do a write up regarding the Flexshaft. I clear probably 2 to 5 drains per week. I have a k9102, k9204, hand spinner with drill attachment, k3800 and k6200 also used a k50 and k750 for years.

This specifically isn't directed at the Rigid 102 or 204 however those are the two flex shafts that I have. I imagine that all manufacturers of this style of drain cleaner would give similar results.
Here is what's good about the flex shaft.
#1 ITS MAKES RIDGID MONEY this is the main thing that the Flexshaft is good at.
#2.5 It makes less mess than a drum or sectional and its easy to carry. When you pull the cable back you can run a rag on it and that keeps things tidy and when its spinning it doesn't fling moisture around and that's pretty much it so when you are doing multiple drain jobs in a day it is nice to not be using a wet machine.
The whole camera down the line at the same time is a nice idea but it doesn't really help you much most of the time. If you are using a flex shaft to clear a 2" line chances are you are not going to put your expensive camera down there any way. And overall I have found the 204 too flimsy for a 3" drain.

I have about a 90% fail rate using the Flexshaft and I pretty much always start with it because I'm hoping I can make quick clean work of a drain job. Unfortunately its hard to push beyond a 90 drop and a few 45s making it pretty much useless for most drain jobs. If you think you are going to push this tool the full length of the cable you will be disappointed. When you hit some resistance its hard to push with one hand so you cant really run the drill at the same time unless you're pulling it back. Same goes with pulling it back and getting it into the machine. I'v had the Rigid Flexshaft drum jam up several times so Iv had to take it apart on site or wrap up the cable and throw it into my van, there's is like 20 bolts to unscrew and the nuts fall out the opposite side which is really annoying. I routinely have the carbon style chains get caught up in cast iron piping for some reason even if the clutch on my drill is set to the lowest setting. Bottom line is that its not reliable for drain jobs and most of the time I go get the k3800 or k6200 with autofeed and that makes quick work of it as it always has and doesn't put strain on my shoulder at the same time. If you understand what I mean about shoulder strain then know this, the Flexshaft is flimsy so too feed it into a clean out you need to get your hand close to the cleanout, so if you are clearing a kitchen sink line you really have to stress your shoulder and push the cable the full depth of the cabinet and within a few inches of the cleanout and this will stress your arm and shoulder a lot. I also do not like how the set screws stick out so much, it just does not seem secure to me.

The flex shaft style drain cleaner is a gimmick of a machine that is a new way for manufactures to make money on a old industry. As a Rigid fan boy I am actually disappointed in the company for putting out this sh*t product. I saw that Rigid is now selling like a mini Flexshaft and I am sure that most of those plastic pieces of crap will end up broken in a landfill within a few months. I actually hate this machine if you cant tell already and pissed that I spent like $3000 on two of them. Oh yeah I also got those brushes that go on the end (they came with the machine), 99% of plumbers will never use these those nylon brushes are freaking trash. For the last year I have been pulling this tool out and within 15 minutes I am asking myself why am I fooling around with this POS and telling myself to go get the actual drain machine.

Form your own opinion but know mine is save your money and do not buy a FlexShaft if you are a service plumber.

That's all folks!
 

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Just like you can't push a camera as far/easily as a spinning snake, doesn't surprise me a flexshaft has the same limitation.
 
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We have a few drain guns (Super V, etc), 3-4 K400s and about 5 Speedrooters. A couple of the speed rooters are parts now. Other than that we jet. Or excavate.

I've looked at the flex shafts but no real interest. This discussion confirms my hesitation.
 

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I know the flex shaft style is marketed as being a do it all but it’s certainly not. I don’t really like using mine to clear stoppages. They will absolutely clean pvc from grease, and more powerful units will grind out concrete and mortar. They are exceptional at descaling cast iron and cutting out roots in most applications. I would prefer to replace the cast, but it does provide a less expensive option depending on the customers budget.
 

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I know the flex shaft style is marketed as being a do it all but it’s certainly not. I don’t really like using mine to clear stoppages. They will absolutely clean pvc from grease, and more powerful units will grind out concrete and mortar. They are exceptional at descaling cast iron and cutting out roots in most applications. I would prefer to replace the cast, but it does provide a less expensive option depending on the customers budget.
I agree it has its uses and limitations.
 

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Alright its been a year of me giving these Flexsh*t machines the benefit of the doubt. I have decided its time for me to do a write up regarding the Flexshaft. I clear probably 2 to 5 drains per week. I have a k9102, k9204, hand spinner with drill attachment, k3800 and k6200 also used a k50 and k750 for years.

This specifically isn't directed at the Rigid 102 or 204 however those are the two flex shafts that I have. I imagine that all manufacturers of this style of drain cleaner would give similar results.
Here is what's good about the flex shaft.
#1 ITS MAKES RIDGID MONEY this is the main thing that the Flexshaft is good at.
#2.5 It makes less mess than a drum or sectional and its easy to carry. When you pull the cable back you can run a rag on it and that keeps things tidy and when its spinning it doesn't fling moisture around and that's pretty much it so when you are doing multiple drain jobs in a day it is nice to not be using a wet machine.
The whole camera down the line at the same time is a nice idea but it doesn't really help you much most of the time. If you are using a flex shaft to clear a 2" line chances are you are not going to put your expensive camera down there any way. And overall I have found the 204 too flimsy for a 3" drain.

I have about a 90% fail rate using the Flexshaft and I pretty much always start with it because I'm hoping I can make quick clean work of a drain job. Unfortunately its hard to push beyond a 90 drop and a few 45s making it pretty much useless for most drain jobs. If you think you are going to push this tool the full length of the cable you will be disappointed. When you hit some resistance its hard to push with one hand so you cant really run the drill at the same time unless you're pulling it back. Same goes with pulling it back and getting it into the machine. I'v had the Rigid Flexshaft drum jam up several times so Iv had to take it apart on site or wrap up the cable and throw it into my van, there's is like 20 bolts to unscrew and the nuts fall out the opposite side which is really annoying. I routinely have the carbon style chains get caught up in cast iron piping for some reason even if the clutch on my drill is set to the lowest setting. Bottom line is that its not reliable for drain jobs and most of the time I go get the k3800 or k6200 with autofeed and that makes quick work of it as it always has and doesn't put strain on my shoulder at the same time. If you understand what I mean about shoulder strain then know this, the Flexshaft is flimsy so too feed it into a clean out you need to get your hand close to the cleanout, so if you are clearing a kitchen sink line you really have to stress your shoulder and push the cable the full depth of the cabinet and within a few inches of the cleanout and this will stress your arm and shoulder a lot. I also do not like how the set screws stick out so much, it just does not seem secure to me.

The flex shaft style drain cleaner is a gimmick of a machine that is a new way for manufactures to make money on a old industry. As a Rigid fan boy I am actually disappointed in the company for putting out this sh*t product. I saw that Rigid is now selling like a mini Flexshaft and I am sure that most of those plastic pieces of crap will end up broken in a landfill within a few months. I actually hate this machine if you cant tell already and pissed that I spent like $3000 on two of them. Oh yeah I also got those brushes that go on the end (they came with the machine), 99% of plumbers will never use these those nylon brushes are freaking trash. For the last year I have been pulling this tool out and within 15 minutes I am asking myself why am I fooling around with this POS and telling myself to go get the actual drain machine.

Form your own opinion but know mine is save your money and do not buy a FlexShaft if you are a service plumber.

That's all folks!
i find the 102 to work pretty good just gotta set the chuck right.
i switched other to other flex shafts that aren't ridged and i like them alot better
 

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Sorry ment to add that.
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Prices are much better then ridged as well.
I do like the real the ridged is in just one more thing to break down though.
A flex paired with a camera you can do some serious drain cleaning especially when it comes to roots.
Thanks, there prices are pretty good but they are in Finland so you pay some for shipping.
 

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No damn way I’d buy one of these things. No damn way I’d put this in the sewers around here just to wad up and break off and then I’m out thee digging up custys sewer to get Cracker Jack flexy shaft out.

You couldn’t GIVE me one.

Give me 3/4” innercore with a 1/2 hp motor and 225’ of cable. No camera is needed……how do I know ?
Because I don’t use one and I don’t get call backs on sewers and I’ve been doing it nearly 40 yrs.

All this stuff is for making the company who sells it money, not the plumber.

the only thing better than my cable is a high power jetter and look at the price difference . It’s not even remotely close.

Sectionals are POS’s too. Too much cable handling and cable spinning out the back of the machine. Then you have to operate that lever with one hand……WTF hell naw.
 

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Ya the shipping wasn't the cheapest. If you plan on ordering more at a different time from them don't. Just make one big order. I'm pretty sure my shipping was for 400$. Canadian
I went to the Renssi site and there was a list of vendors who sell in the USA I contacted a few and went with APEX CIPP Solutions the price was reasonable and the shipping. There are Renissi distributors in outer countries including Canada.
 

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No damn way I’d buy one of these things. No damn way I’d put this in the sewers around here just to wad up and break off and then I’m out thee digging up custys sewer to get Cracker Jack flexy shaft out.

You couldn’t GIVE me one.

Give me 3/4” innercore with a 1/2 hp motor and 225’ of cable. No camera is needed……how do I know ?
Because I don’t use one and I don’t get call backs on sewers and I’ve been doing it nearly 40 yrs.

All this stuff is for making the company who sells it money, not the plumber.

the only thing better than my cable is a high power jetter and look at the price difference . It’s not even remotely close.

Sectionals are POS’s too. Too much cable handling and cable spinning out the back of the machine. Then you have to operate that lever with one hand……WTF hell naw.

I'm at 37 years in the trade so similar age. A simple Speedrooter worked for me for YEARS. A jetter is more expensive but so are the charges. We bill out more than $100k a year in jetting.
 

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I'm at 37 years in the trade so similar age. A simple Speedrooter worked for me for YEARS. A jetter is more expensive but so are the charges. We bill out more than $100k a year in jetting.
As a one man shop I’m using the most profitable machine for the money in my service area. I can’t remember when the last time I packed my **** up and said “ sorry, I give up “.

I do about $10,000 a year cleaning main sewer drains, I do a few a month. I haven’t bought any cables in YEARS. In fact I haven’t bought anything for my machine except belts, foot switch and bits for about 5 years. Practically zero operating cost.

Drain cleaning is what I have to do sometimes, it’s not the work I’m after. No license is required here for drain cleaning. That drives the price down.
 

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We have been going through the larger flex shaft machines the past year specifically to descale 3"-6" cast iron lines up to 115'.

We tried a k-204 for smaller lines (grease plugs mostly) and they aren't worth the trouble. They don't make many bends and you're always tempted to push through until the shaft snaps, even with the drill clutch. If you need to stir things up I grab a k-50 or a jetter.

We replaced that shaft at least 4 times on each of our 2 units. Same thing with the k-309. Too many repairs needed and parts are overpriced. If you're going to use one, try plumber-tools.com. Better quality parts and better prices even after shipping.

Right now we have a General Flexi-Rooter for 3-4" up to 60' and Picote miller 4"-6" up to 110'. We use carbon chains and knock the scale off and smooth the walls.

I've found the General flex shaft to outperform its gray competitor. Repaired the shaft end once after trying a 3" trap. No replacement shaft yet and it's done 15+ lines in the few months we had it.
Foot pedal means two hands to run the shaft out.
Angle grinder motor is annoyingly loud but powerful enough. Built in clutch.
You can turn the speed down.
The wheel design works great on stairs and to yank into your truck.
I'll pop a soft plug and descale with it but as for roots, only to clean up after a snake with large cutters or maintenance with the camera to guide it.

The Picote was $$$ but very nice. Silent motor, 1/2 cable is heavy duty. Will make a couple 3" 90s if they are close to your cleanout. We use it on 4"and 6".
With the 50' extension it reaches 115'.
It's a bit awkward on stairs. Haven't broken a cable yet.
After previous experience we haven't touched root clogs with it but it's not worth the trouble to try.

I learned a few tricks to push the shafts out in rough pipe with bad pitch, or upstream. Also, have a plan to flush the scale out to the main. It doesn't float away like grease.

We're going to make some homemade shafts with drum cable for when we are using outside cleanouts or open ditch. I'm looking forward to getting those made up.
 

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I've cleaned a lot of roots with picote milling machines. Use adjustable chains, not the 3d or cyclone ones. It's easier with the 1/2" cable ones that clutch out. The ones that immediately go when pressing on the pedal will snag and twist up sometimes. Chase a camera behind your chains for the smaller picote miller's and you'll have a lot of success.
 

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We're using the Picote Super Midi (1/2" x 65') and General Flexi-Rooter (5/16" x 50'). Both have clutches which is great. Got extensions to run 5/16" x 80' and 1/2" x 115' if needed.

Right now we just use the adjustable chains, smooth or carbide depending on pipe material.
At this point when it comes to roots we treat them like expanding cutters on a sectional (k1500).
Make a big hole first with a drum or sectional and a root cutter.
Then give the customer the option after camera view to cut the roots all the way back with a flex shaft/miller.

We also use the flex shafts/millers for maintenance on lines we're familiar with. Knock the roots back every couple years.

These two machines may be more capable and able to chew up a good root clog without help, but we had plenty of broken cables when we used another brand sized for 2"-4" and their bigger version 3"-6". Would either bog down and pull out small chunks of roots or break a cable.

Since then we haven't tried to open a root infested line with our two newer flex shaft machines. also haven't broken any cables on them yet.

It just seems easier to use the torque of a drum or big sectional to tear out big chunks of roots not only on the cutter head but the cable as well. Yank a ton of roots out, get a decent hole then go through if needed and shred the rest with the flex shaft.
 

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We're using the Picote Super Midi (1/2" x 65') and General Flexi-Rooter (5/16" x 50'). Both have clutches which is great. Got extensions to run 5/16" x 80' and 1/2" x 115' if needed.

Right now we just use the adjustable chains, smooth or carbide depending on pipe material.
At this point when it comes to roots we treat them like expanding cutters on a sectional (k1500).
Make a big hole first with a drum or sectional and a root cutter.
Then give the customer the option after camera view to cut the roots all the way back with a flex shaft/miller.

We also use the flex shafts/millers for maintenance on lines we're familiar with. Knock the roots back every couple years.

These two machines may be more capable and able to chew up a good root clog without help, but we had plenty of broken cables when we used another brand sized for 2"-4" and their bigger version 3"-6". Would either bog down and pull out small chunks of roots or break a cable.

Since then we haven't tried to open a root infested line with our two newer flex shaft machines. also haven't broken any cables on them yet.

It just seems easier to use the torque of a drum or big sectional to tear out big chunks of roots not only on the cutter head but the cable as well. Yank a ton of roots out, get a decent hole then go through if needed and shred the rest with the flex shaft.
If it’s that bad I like to replace the sewer and solve the problem.
Custy declines replacement then I like to put them on the frequent clean list and do preventative cleaning every 6 months.

If they decline then I quit doing their drain work. Drains are something I do but I don’t like to do it. Too much easier money out there for me.
 
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