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I understand not wanting to sign because I am reluctant to sign things myself. More and more I find nongovernment entities asking for my drivers license, and entering it into their system. I have started refusing. I don't mind showing it, I just don't like my personal info in computer systems that are vulnerable to being hacked. They are usually pretty quick to try to justify their request by saying that they don't share it with anyone. Well no schitt you moron, but last I knew most hackers don't actually come out and just request it politely. I am actually surprised at how many people sign willingly, without question or without reading it. The few who do seem always to be th for an authorization and approval signature to do the work and then a final acknowledgement that it was done. Problem is, I have to enter all the labor and parts first, else it is a royal pain to go back in and change things once they have signed. How many jobs go over or below my estimated time, or require more or less materials than I expected at first glance? Just about every one. Our dispatchers do a very good job at explaining our charges ahead of time, basically the rate and T and M. Most of our customers are repeat so they know what to expect. Occasionally I'll get one that will ask total cost before I start, so I give them a verbal ballpark, and stress the ballpark. It would take me forever if I had to change every previously authorized invoice and correct it to what I actually ended up doing or using. I have been told that we do call the police and report theft of services if they do refuse to pay.
how has that worked out so far???calling the cops and reporting them not paying as theft of services is what I'm asking about
 

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how has that worked out so far???calling the cops and reporting them not paying as theft of services is what I'm asking about
Out here it's not a criminal offense to not pay, it's a civil matter. It doesn't make any sense to me, people pay because they want to not because they are really obliged to because they aren't punished and you have to spend a whole lot of money for the court to decide "yeah they owe that money" and if you want it you have to hire a bailiff after judgement. Imagine if everybody decided not to pay a service bill.

Focking ridiculous.
 

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When you hire hacks, cash under the table, you might need to call a plumber 4 times.... maybe more?

Had a call for a wet ceiling several months ago. The guy didn't want me to open the ceiling. Pulled the 12" rough toilet but it needed a 10" rough one, the toilet was a skewed(previously posted). had to go back and put a 10" one. A month and a half goes by all dry and another leak at the same place, this time he had cut the ceiling, it was coming from the wall above (sink drain). Had to remove the hacker double vanity, cut the wall, the vent/tee wasn't properly glued, unglued actually.

The woman was starting to get upset. I need to go a 4th time to reset the vanity when the wall is patched up. Still the rest of the plumbing is clowned.

The woman also had another issue of sewer smell on the main floor washroom, sorry I don't do that type of work, not anymore.





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When you hire hacks, cash under the table, you might need to call a plumber 4 times.... maybe more?

Had a call for a wet ceiling several months ago. The guy didn't want me to open the ceiling. Pulled the 12" rough toilet but it needed a 10" rough one, the toilet was a skewed(previously posted). had to go back and put a 10" one. A month and a half goes by all dry and another leak at the same place, this time he had cut the ceiling, it was coming from the wall above (sink drain). Had to remove the hacker double vanity, cut the wall, the vent/tee wasn't properly glued, unglued actually.

The woman was starting to get upset. I need to go a 4rth time to reset the vanity when the wall is patched up. Still the the rest of the plumbing is clowned.

The woman also had another issue of sewer smell on the main floor washroom, sorry I don't do that type of work, not anymore.





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you gots some hacked up jacked up plumbing in Canada,is it all abs crap piping???
 

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you gots some hacked up jacked up plumbing in Canada,is it all abs crap piping???
If it wasn't for hacks I might not be in business. I love them because I make money but at the same time it's always in a tough place and I wonder if I'm getting bald every day because of the stress. I also can't fix everything or make things all right, Imagine saying to customers your entire bathroom and floor below needs to be taken down to be done right. Just like last friday's job, would of needed to rip the entire kitchen out so I walked.

Yes yes ABS, that's all there is in houses. PVC is only for 3 stories and up buildings.
 

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If it wasn't for hacks I might not be in business. I love them because I make money but at the same time it's always in a tough place and I wonder if I'm getting bald every day because of the stress. I also can't fix everything or make things all right, Imagine saying to customers your entire bathroom and floor below needs to be taken down to be done right. Just like last friday's job, would of needed to rip the entire kitchen out so I walked.

Yes yes ABS, that's all there is in houses. PVC is only for 3 stories and up buildings.
I hate abs piping,it's bound to get old after awhile fooling with all the hacked jacked plumbing
 

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I hate abs piping,it's bound to get old after awhile fooling with all the hacked jacked plumbing
I like abs when it's used properly. Goes together easier, glues more confidently, looks much nicer. If I never worked on pumps or high heat lines it's probably all I'd keep on the van.

But alas, pvc shines where abs does not, so all I stock is pvc.
 

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how has that worked out so far???calling the cops and reporting them not paying as theft of services is what I'm asking about
Good question. I wondered that myself. Haven't needed to do it yet. I've always been under the impression that it was a civil matter too, but also know that interpretation and enforcement of the law can vary greatly depending on what cop shows up.
 

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I like abs when it's used properly. Goes together easier, glues more confidently, looks much nicer. If I never worked on pumps or high heat lines it's probably all I'd keep on the van.

But alas, pvc shines where abs does not, so all I stock is pvc.

ABS went away in the Midwest years ago. I hated how fast it locked into place. No chance to rotate it a bit when needed. Looks EH in the eye of the beholder. For sure it's much lighter kinda like playing plumbing ;) compared to the manly PVC.
 

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ABS went away in the Midwest years ago. I hated how fast it locked into place. No chance to rotate it a bit when needed. Looks EH in the eye of the beholder. For sure it's much lighter kinda like playing plumbing ;) compared to the manly PVC.
I agree, pvc is the better option. Just saying I understand why a lot of guys use abs. I agree with hating how fast it sets up. Since I don't carry abs fittings on the van I only get what is ordered and if I screw up one or two joints I am forced to call back for more parts. Luckily this has only happened once, in that case I just piped it all with the pvc stuff I had on the van. But it remains a nagging fear.
 
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Had a 60 gallon water heater to replace the 40 that had busted and wetted the surroundings including the carpet. I told the couple to put a damn towards the floor drain. They never did that and the drain was less than 3 feet away. The carpet on the other side of the wall was all soaked.

I needed help to turn the stairs as it bumped into the corner wall. I dinged the wall but he didn't say anything. Thankfully the guy helped me out but once he was upstairs I noticed 2 black stains on the carpeted stairs, the freaking staircat's chains made the marks. I tried some cleaning product without success so I resorted to some carb cleaner, it worked beautifully.

So I was able to bring the smaller tank up easily and as I as filling the new one I closed the laundry tub faucet beside me when it was full, a minute later I heard a whooshing sound, I was thinking I closed all the sinks upstairs, WTF? I exited the mechanical room and I saw in another room a rainstorm of water gushing from the ceiling. I rushed upstairs and noticed the guy had disconnected the hot hide of the laundry hose to empty the heater but hadn't reconnected it or shut the laundry valve. It was just laying on the floor gushing full pressure. There was water all over the bathroom/laundry, the hallway all the way to the front door and into the kitchen where the woman was working with her laptop. "Mam there's water all over why did you unhook the hose???" I grabbed the vacuum and spent 30 minutes on that. She then asked why the water going downstairs'? "Because the main floor is not waterproof and you disconnected a hose!" What I really wanted to say it's not a phocking swimming pool!

There's seriously a curse following me around, I need a therapist.


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There's seriously a curse following me around, I need a therapist.

You poor, poor, toad. You have my sympathies.
 

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I had one the other day. In a place I did a bathroom Reno I had done 4 years ago. Before Christmas, The shower drain cracked and blistered the ceiling below. Went there and cut the ceiling, changed the drain. Ran water for 45 minutes to ensure the issue was fixed. The customer went and had the drywall repaired after 3 weeks. Now a month later they call and tell me it’s leaking again. I’m like wtf. I get there and I’m like how did I f that up? So start investigating and found this leak was coming from old cast threaded fittings and galvanized nipples. Sure mad me feel better. Re did the cast now just need to have my brother repair the drywall.
 

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I had one the other day. In a place I did a bathroom Reno I had done 4 years ago. Before Christmas, The shower drain cracked and blistered the ceiling below. Went there and cut the ceiling, changed the drain. Ran water for 45 minutes to ensure the issue was fixed. The customer went and had the drywall repaired after 3 weeks. Now a month later they call and tell me it’s leaking again. I’m like wtf. I get there and I’m like how did I f that up? So start investigating and found this leak was coming from old cast threaded fittings and galvanized nipples. Sure mad me feel better. Re did the cast now just need to have my brother repair the drywall.
Did you repair your drain for free? What about the cost of drywall?
 

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I agree, pvc is the better option. Just saying I understand why a lot of guys use abs. I agree with hating how fast it sets up. Since I don't carry abs fittings on the van I only get what is ordered and if I screw up one or two joints I am forced to call back for more parts. Luckily this has only happened once, in that case I just piped it all with the pvc stuff I had on the van. But it remains a nagging fear.
When going from abs to pvc be sure to use the green transition glue or it won't stick or stay on the pipe,I guess you could use multipurpose glue also
 

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Had a 60 gallon water heater to replace the 40 that had busted and wetted the surroundings including the carpet. I told the couple to put a damn towards the floor drain. They never did that and the drain was less than 3 feet away. The carpet on the other side of the wall was all soaked.

I needed help to turn the stairs as it bumped into the corner wall. I dinged the wall but he didn't say anything. Thankfully the guy helped me out but once he was upstairs I noticed 2 black stains on the carpeted stairs, the freaking staircat's chains made the marks. I tried some cleaning product without success so I resorted to some carb cleaner, it worked beautifully.

So I was able to bring the smaller tank up easily and as I as filling the new one I closed the laundry tub faucet beside me when it was full, a minute later I heard a whooshing sound, I was thinking I closed all the sinks upstairs, WTF? I exited the mechanical room and I saw in another room a rainstorm of water gushing from the ceiling. I rushed upstairs and noticed the guy had disconnected the hot hide of the laundry hose to empty the heater but hadn't reconnected it or shut the laundry valve. It was just laying on the floor gushing full pressure. There was water all over the bathroom/laundry, the hallway all the way to the front door and into the kitchen where the woman was working with her laptop. "Mam there's water all over why did you unhook the hose???" I grabbed the vacuum and spent 30 minutes on that. She then asked why the water going downstairs'? "Because the main floor is not waterproof and you disconnected a hose!" What I really wanted to say it's not a phocking swimming pool!

There's seriously a curse following me around, I need a therapist.


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Dam you flooded the hell otta that house tango lololololo,it not your fault but plumber always gets the blame
 

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I had one the other day. In a place I did a bathroom Reno I had done 4 years ago. Before Christmas, The shower drain cracked and blistered the ceiling below. Went there and cut the ceiling, changed the drain. Ran water for 45 minutes to ensure the issue was fixed. The customer went and had the drywall repaired after 3 weeks. Now a month later they call and tell me it’s leaking again. I’m like wtf. I get there and I’m like how did I f that up? So start investigating and found this leak was coming from old cast threaded fittings and galvanized nipples. Sure mad me feel better. Re did the cast now just need to have my brother repair the drywall.
So the drain was good all along right??? Misdiagnosis???did homeowner catch on???id have charged for both no matter what
 
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