[Master Mark]

I found out today that Terry Love, who was a good friend of mine , passed away today up in Seattle.
He was a cancer survivor since around 2010 and was in remission until recently.....
Terrys plumbing forum will be taken over and run by his sons...
I am going to miss him and I wish I would have gone out to Seattle more often over
the past 5 years and done more hiking and general fooling around with him when I had the chance.

 

[PlumbingNewbie]

Sorry to hear this Mark. I would go over and read that forum sometimes. I knew he was sick but didn’t expect to hear this. He seemed like a good man who had a passion for his craft, and for helping others.

 

[skoronesa]

He was definitely a good man.

 

[Tango]

How old was he and was he retired and enjoying it?

 

[hewhodigsholes]

My thought are with his family. I learned a lot from his forum in my earlier days. He was a hell of a guy.

 

[Logtec]

Respect

 

[sparky]

Prayers for his family and friends,sadly as. We age this is gonna happen more and more

 

[KCPlumb]

Good forum and offered great advice.

 

[PlumbingNewbie]

Prayers for his family and friends,sadly as. We age this is gonna happen more and more

Ain’t that the truth ☹

 

[Master Mark]

How old was he and was he retired and enjoying it?

Terry is the person who took the picture you see as my avatar on this site
he was about 71 on around that age.... Terry had things going pretty well
and his plumbing forum was raking in good money from advertisements revenue
so he has plenty of time on his hands to fool around.......

Terry still ran around doing Toto toilets and things but basically
he was gearing down and I got the feeling it was
more like a hobby for him lately.. I sort of put a bug in his ear about what folks
were charging for water heaters in his area ($2800) and how easy they were to do
and he started doing a few heaters here and there...

In hindsight I sort of wish I would have flown out to Seattle a few more times
each summer just for a 4 day weekend or a short spell to go hiking up Mt Raineer again
or hit some other places more often....

Terry said that he would like to visit the mid west some time but I told him that where I
live is basically a boring hell hole compared to Washington and he did not know how
good he really had it living out there.... and that is why I go out there every summer..

Here is a shot from a hike we took with his girl freind Pam back in 2019...

 

[Tango]

Getting past 50-60 years old you really have to start enjoying life and to things you always wanted to do otherwise you will miss out. For the last 3 years I've been doing things I really enjoy like road trips to villages on the week end and going towards goals that for most people it is not sane and throwing money away. You only have one chance to live like you want.

 

[Plumbus]

Getting past 50-60 years old you really have to start enjoying life and to things you always wanted to do otherwise you will miss out. For the last 3 years I've been doing things I really enjoy like road trips to villages on the week end and going towards goals that for most people it is not sane and throwing money away. You only have one chance to live like you want.

That's why I travel. Off to Argentina and Chile in two weeks. Then, it's back to Europe in May.

 

[Master Mark]

Getting past 50-60 years old you really have to start enjoying life and to things you always wanted to do otherwise you will miss out. For the last 3 years I've been doing things I really enjoy like road trips to villages on the week end and going towards goals that for most people it is not sane and throwing money away. You only have one chance to live like you want.

Yes, Tango you are 100% right... my idea has been to leave it all to the kids
which seems a noble thing to do even if they dont appreciate it.... I have gone to
funerals before where they passed the hat for the wife and kids and it was not
a pretty thing...

I probably need to start doing more stuff while I can because.....
in reality, any one of us could wake up dead tomorrow morning too...
and it doesn't matter at what age that this could happen.. of course the odds start
to favor people 60 and older.... or you could just get hit by a bus too...

Basically , you just pass away in your sleep and you wake up dead and cant figure out
why you cant grab the tooth brush or make your coffee. so you just feel out of sorts..
You decide to go back to bed and someone is still laying in your bed where you just were. 😱 😱 .....
then someone taps you on the shoulder and says Tango, its time to go, and then your amnesia is over
and you remember everything.....
...
and also, they dont give you travelers checks
or a fire proof asbestos money belt to take your money with you neither

 

[PlumbingNewbie]

I think I am on track to retire pretty comfortably by 40ish. My daughter will be about ready to go to college. I will probably not have to help out her mother financially like I have done. I'll more than likely still be single. The question becomes what to retire "to". For many people, continuing to work probably sounds like the best option, since they may not know what else is out there.

Just hoping I stay healthy. Like Mark said, no guarantees that this day isn't our last.

 

[Tango]

Yes, Tango you are 100% right... my idea has been to leave it all to the kids
which seems a noble thing to do even if they dont appreciate it.... I have gone to
funerals before where they passed the hat for the wife and kids and it was not
a pretty thing...

I probably need to start doing more stuff while I can because.....
in reality, any one of us could wake up dead tomorrow morning too...
and it doesn't matter at what age that this could happen.. of course the odds start
to favor people 60 and older.... or you could just get hit by a bus too...

Basically , you just pass away in your sleep and you wake up dead and cant figure out
why you cant grab the tooth brush or make your coffee. so you just feel out of sorts..
You decide to go back to bed and someone is still laying in your bed where you just were. 😱 😱 .....
then someone taps you on the shoulder and says Tango, its time to go, and then your amnesia is over
and you remember everything.....
...
and also, they dont give you travelers checks
or a fire proof asbestos money belt to take your money with you neither

If your kids don't really deserve it then why give it all to them? I see so many people who get money from the succession and blow it away, on $10 000 worth of woman's make up, clothes that go straight to salvation army never worn, a bunch of useless stuff or smoke weed and sniff coke. It would piss me off, If I'd give money to unreliable children it would be on some condition like once they open a successful biz after 5-10 years they get the money. By then if they are successful they are more likely to appreciate the value and use it wisely. Otherwise I would not give much and give it to someone unrelated or others who merit it.

Anyway the average life expectancy for a plumber is 67 years old so it's time to enjoy life NOW.

Take my mother's husband (70-74) he was getting a little slow and one day bam he started to say his butt cheeks weren't connected and suddenly he was incapable of taking care of himself. From then on he was mentally game over. The body degraded right after, in a matter of months they had to sell his mega garage on another lot where he spent all his days there, they sold the house, all the 4wheelers, boat, the car and truck. Now he spends a whole lot of time at the hospital half in and out of lucidity, can't climb stairs or get up from the ground.

 

[Tango]

and also, they dont give you travelers checks
or a fire proof asbestos money belt to take your money with you neither

Exactly in hell all they accept is FTX Bitcoin.

 

[skoronesa]

If your kids don't really deserve it then why give it all to them? I see so many people who get money from the succession and blow it away, on $10 000 worth of woman's make up, clothes that go straight to salvation army never worn, a bunch of useless stuff or smoke weed and sniff coke. It would piss me off, If I'd give money to unreliable children it would be on some condition like once they open a successful biz after 5-10 years they get the money. By then if they are successful they are more likely to appreciate the value and use it wisely. Otherwise I would not give much and give it to someone unrelated or others who merit it.

Anyway the average life expectancy for a plumber is 67 years old so it's time to enjoy life NOW.

Take my mother's husband (70-74) he was getting a little slow and one day bam he started to say his butt cheeks weren't connected and suddenly he was incapable of taking care of himself. From then on he was mentally game over. The body degraded right after, in a matter of months they had to sell his mega garage on another lot where he spent all his days there, they sold the house, all the 4wheelers, boat, the car and truck. Now he spends a whole lot of time at the hospital half in and out of lucidity, can't climb stairs or get up from the ground.

Maybe he feels like it's his fault they turned out that way.

Personally I'd donate it to a good cause or someone who could really do good with it.

 

[PlumbingNewbie]

Tango, where did you find the age 67 number for life expectancy? It doesn’t surprise me despite being relatively young.

In my previous career, the life expectancy that I heard floating around was 1.5 years after retirement, which is mandatory at 65. Interesting that this would be around 67 as well.

 

[Tango]

Tango, where did you find the age 67 number for life expectancy? It doesn’t surprise me despite being relatively young.

In my previous career, the life expectancy that I heard floating around was 1.5 years after retirement, which is mandatory at 65. Interesting that this would be around 67 as well.

I used to get the union's magazine for years and years and they posted all the deceased plumbers, I tallied them for many months did the math and that's the average. We used to breathe a lot of nasty solder fumes(still do), lead pipe dope, silica etc. Just by walking the hallway of a new concrete building under construction did you ever see the kicked up silica dust in the sun light?

The plumber who got me in the trade died of lung cancer and died a year after retiring (67), he worked his last years for an A-hole company for 10-15 years and they never reached out on his death bed. He worked night and weekend for them. I worked for that company not very long, the first day they told me I was late when I got there 15 minutes before 7, I asked will I get paid to pack the truck from 6:30 to 7, they said no, time starts at 7. Why the F would I work for free?? They also said I had to put materials in my personal truck and supply my own power tools to go on job sites(against convention rules). The next day I showed up 2 minutes before 7 and came in on a bicycle, that was my last day.

Several years later all the employee kids there got caught by the CRA with shenanigan payroll, these kids supplying tools, trailers, fuel, etc. and deducting these from their taxes but you cannot do that unless you are a contractor. The company would take all their receipts and deduct it on the company!! All my life people were mocking me when I standing up for myself...All the kids ended up with 25-30K+ in fines and had to pay back all those deductions to the CRA.

 

[Logtec]

Exactly in hell all they accept is FTX Bitcoin.

You never see a brinks truck following a hearse.