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Hmmm. That might make sense if all of the faucet/fixture manufacturers were not promoting almost every offering in their lineup as being "green" and saving money by saving water..... Just because it's a 1.6 gpf or 2.2 gpm set. Have these not been the standards for years now? Yet they are used as a marketing tool by the makers to this day. So, to all of you dinosaurs who refuse to accept change, do you refuse to install a brand because of these water and money savings claims? :whistling2:




I've put in the high end faucets and the car wash showers that don't pay anyone back on their investment. That is not necessarily a good comparison to the tankless industry because it is one of the sales tools promoted by all of the tankless manufacturers whether true or not.

So it is something that is forced to be addressed in each potential tankless situation whereas a multi-valve Dornbracht shower system does not as there is no savings promoted.

The issue that arises is when a customer asks a trained, informed, and ethical plumber their opinion about tanks & tankless.
 

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Hmmm. That might make sense if all of the faucet/fixture manufacturers were not promoting almost every offering in their lineup as being "green" and saving money by saving water..... Just because it's a 1.6 gpf or 2.2 gpm set. Have these not been the standards for years now? Yet they are used as a marketing tool by the makers to this day. So, to all of you dinosaurs who refuse to accept change, do you refuse to install a brand because of these water and money savings claims? :whistling2:
Don't know if I should be classified as a dinosaur or not. I've installed tank and tankless. I know the benefits & drawbacks to each for each individual situation, present them to the customer in an unbiased manner, (I think. Some subconscious opinions will always drift in with all of us.) and let them make an informed decision. Most choose tank. Some choose tankless.

I totally forgot about the B.S. "Green Faucet" promotions. Thanks.

P.S. I'll install almost anything that's safe and approved. I'll pimp the tankless with Diamonds if that's what you want.
 

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I'm not arguing. My dishwasher doesn't have a built in heater. When I used to do new construction we would run 2 hot lines 1 would be 120 for lavs and tubs. The other would be 140. that would feed the washer and dish washer.
For my house I like to take a hot shower. 120 wouldn't cut it. It wouldn't be bad to pre heat and then have it dump into a nother heater.
I'll pay pal you 100 bucks if you can stand under 120 degree shower for 10 minutes.

it's against the law to have a spa above 106 in florida due to scolding. you actually think you can go 15 degrees more than that?!?!
I got 100 ohn it and am giving 100:1 says he can't do it. :shifty:
 

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Don't know if I should be classified as a dinosaur or not. I've installed tank and tankless. I know the benefits & drawbacks to each for each individual situation, present them to the customer in an unbiased manner, (I think. Some subconscious opinions will always drift in with all of us.) and let them make an informed decision. Most choose tank. Some choose tankless.

I totally forgot about the B.S. "Green Faucet" promotions. Thanks.

P.S. I'll install almost anything that's safe and approved. I'll pimp the tankless with Diamonds if that's what you want.
That's what I'm talkin bout! This is America after all.... Give the people what they want. :yes: :thumbup:
 

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Ive installed a few tankless, so not a expert on them by any stretch. I do know that most who have inquired on them seem to want the cake and eat it too in that they still want recirc systems for that far off bathroom. In my mind a tankless means just that. Isnt having a tank for them reverting back to the old school models? And I dont get how you would recirc them anyway. Our New Mexico water laughs at softeners, copper, or brass fittings. So I'm not sure of all the buildup as mentioned earlier in this thread. Last but not least the sensors, limits etc. But in all fairness the costumers I know that have them love them.:yes:
 

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Ive installed a few tankless, so not a expert on them by any stretch. I do know that most who have inquired on them seem to want the cake and eat it too in that they still want recirc systems for that far off bathroom. In my mind a tankless means just that. Isnt having a tank for them reverting back to the old school models? And I dont get how you would recirc them anyway. Our New Mexico water laughs at softeners, copper, or brass fittings. So I'm not sure of all the buildup as mentioned earlier in this thread. Last but not least the sensors, limits etc. But in all fairness the costumers I know that have them love them.:yes:
It is not necessary to use a tank to recirc them. There is a cave man simple and far less expensive way to do it. I won't indulge that for DIYers to stumble across but will tell all in the chat room for those interested. You will wonder why you didn't think of it yourself.
 

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I just tell customers to go with a tank style, much more betterer.
 
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