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I am curious if a business owner could explain exactly how much money an employer saves by paying you straight time as opposed to time and half over time. Besides the obvious savings in payroll, what other factors come into play from a business perspective?

I would think that they would save in taxes, workmans comp, at the same time completely F you out of SS pay in, along with unemployment.

How much of a scumbag is a boss that doesn't pay time and half?
 

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Are you talking about overtime not being offered when it clearly is there, or you are working more than 40+ hours a week or more than 8hrs a day (depending on state law)?
 

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I am referring to working more than 40 hours a week, but instead of getting paid over time I get paid my regular hourly wage. Example - My time card shows that I worked 60 hours, but my paycheck shows that I only worked 48 hours.

I am full aware that I could file with the labor board, but I am just curious how much money he is actually saving by paying straight time. I mean I know that for every hour that I am working past 40 that I am literally paying him my over time, but I am more curious how not paying me over time saves him in other ways that only a business owner would know.
 

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I'm lost on that math!

I'd contact the labor board, or whatever it's called where you are.

I charge customers extra for nights/weekends/holidays, no reason an employee shouldn't have the same compensation.
 

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Ok...

Say I make 30 dollars an hour. I have 60 hours worked in 1 week. I would be sitting at 900 dollars in over time pay. My time card would show 60 hours.

Now when I get my pay check it shows 53.33 hours. Essentially my over time hours are being multiplied by my current hourly wage, and then divided by my OT hourly wage, which results in me not receiving my OT.

(hours worked past 40 * Hourly wage) / (Hourly wage * .5 + Hourly wage)

My thread is only asking in what other ways is not paying overtime saving the company, and also as a contractor how much of a scumbag is a boss that does not pay overtime.

Basically in how many ways and I being f'd. How much of an ATM machine am I to my employer?

I am having a really hard time figuring out how to explain this so that my question is concise, but I do not have a very large vocabulary...
 

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If you work 60 hours in a pay period And are paid weekly it would show as:
40 hours @ $30per hour (straight time)
20 hours @ $45per hour (time and a half)

= $2100 before tax

Showing 53.5 hours on straight time makes no since for a weekly pay period

Unless your pay period is over two weeks and you worked a total of 60hours over the 14 days
 

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Ok...

Say I make 30 dollars an hour. I have 60 hours worked in 1 week. I would be sitting at 900 dollars in over time pay. My time card would show 60 hours.

Now when I get my pay check it shows 53.33 hours. Essentially my over time hours are being multiplied by my current hourly wage, and then divided by my OT hourly wage, which results in me not receiving my OT.

(hours worked past 20 * Hourly wage) / (Hourly wage * .5 + Hourly wage)

My thread is only asking in what other ways is not paying overtime saving the company, and also as a contractor how much of a scumbag is a boss that does not pay overtime.

If what you say is true, collect your evidence spanning as far back as you can and burn your current employer. You don't like plumbing, honestly my passion is drain cleaning over plumbing, but it's part of my current situation.

Think about it this way. Your employer pays you based on your skill and your time. Both are worth $. When one outweighs the other more compensation is due.

I'm NOT a union minded person by any means, but I've worked for bad employers that took advantage of my skill set and time before.
 

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Ok not sure if you're trolling me, or what here man....

7 day work week you work 60 hours. Seven calendar days. Normal stuff, 1 week, 1 full work week. Normal pay period. 60 hours....

At 30 dollars an hour

40 hours at $30.00 dollars an hour equals (=) $1200.00
20 hours at $45.00 dollars an hour equals (=) $900.00 <--- The overtime pay. Time and a half. Anything past 40, etc....
Check total with regular hours plus (+) overtime hours would equal (=) $2100.00

OK now here is where it gets tricky......

If you take my 20 hours of overtime. Multiply 20 hours of over time BY $30.00 dollars an hour you get $600.00 dollars..

You then take the $600.00 dollars, and divide it by $45.00

( $30.00 dollars times (X)(*) .5 = 15 <---- $15.00 dollars. Now add that $15.00 dollars which is half of my regular wage to my regular wage makes it $45.00 dollars an hour. I.E - $45.00 is time and a half if you're paid $30.00 dollars an hour)

It equals (=) 13.333333333333333 <----- That is my 20 hours of over time, converted into straight pay, but looks as if I am being paid overtime, but in fact I am being paid straight time.

Now my 60 hour work week, which we have established / confirmed / reread above ^ has been changed from 60 Hours to 53.33 Hours....

My paycheck for a 60 hour week, 60 hours on my time card, is actually 53.33 hours on my pay check stub. Essentially my over time has been converted to straight time, BUT it looks as if I was paid overtime on my pay check stub...
 

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If what you say is true, collect your evidence spanning as far back as you can and burn your current employer. You don't like plumbing, honestly my passion is drain cleaning over plumbing, but it's part of my current situation.

Think about it this way. Your employer pays you based on your skill and your time. Both are worth $. When one outweighs the other more compensation is due.

I'm NOT a union minded person by any means, but I've worked for bad employers that took advantage of my skill set and time before.
Nah man I agreed to it years ago. I wouldn't burn someone after we made a gentlemens agreement. I only stay where I am at because I feel that we do much better work than any other company that I have ever seen, and I have 0 issues telling hack plumbing companies to eat shlit, to the bosses face as I hand him his truck keys and tell him he can bust up floors because his guys cant read a tape...... I am a plumber, I am not a concrete worker.

I just wanted to know in what other ways I am saving the company money by not being paid overtime... There has to be more savings to the company than just $15.00 dollars an hour...
 

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I am curious if a business owner could explain exactly how much money an employer saves by paying you straight time as opposed to time and half over time. Besides the obvious savings in payroll, what other factors come into play from a business perspective?

I would think that they would save in taxes, workmans comp, at the same time completely F you out of SS pay in, along with unemployment.

How much of a scumbag is a boss that doesn't pay time and half?

OpenSights isn't trolling you.

I'm not a business owner, but common sense would tell me that your boss is making more than the $300/week of extra overtime pay than just just the $300 extra you should be getting. I'm using that number based on the difference in what you get on your check as "overtime" of $600 and what you should get in overtime of $900. Heck, if he takes that $300/week and just lets it sit in a savings account, it adds up ... plus, that's $ you earned that should have been at least earning YOU minimum interest.
 

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Bottom line, this is illegal. If you want to stick around because of his high quality work and a gentleman's agreement, go ahead. Leave out the 1.5 times normal pay for overtime. He is getting 6.7 hours totally free by working you 60 and paying for 53.3. I understand being job scared, but this guy is saving lots of money on your back.
 

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Your getting taken advantage of.

These pay laws vary State by State. He is violating State law (as you would if you violated plumbing code in some States).

He can question your hours but not constantly change them. Most States would say anything over a 40 hour work week 'must" be overtime. I would accept comp time for time & a half. Your States definition of wage & overtime (above 40 or maybe 80 for two weeks, possibly anything over 8 per day). Unless you are are a "salaried" employee. If so all bets are off. Above you allowable pay period time & a half period......................

Different story if this is not often, if this happens all the time not good. Your being taken advantage of as well as others in our trade.


No friggin tricky to it "period". Allowed time $30.00 over allowed time $45.00 per hour add the total done.
 
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Long ago I got suckered into working for a solar company for
a "salary" The salary sounded pretty good until we started humping and doing about 60 -70 hours a week to keep up with a project....

I was on "salary" so it did not matter how many hours we worked it still was the same pay......


You are basically on something not quite as bad as a salary based pay check,

I guess you are doing "straight time" and have agreed to it long ago....

Its not good, its not bad....it just depends on what other benefits the guy is giving to you.... like health insurance at a steep discount or free???
A take home truck??
Does he take you to a stripper bar every so often on Fridays????

These little benefits can add up....

 

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Long ago I got suckered into working for a solar company for
a "salary" The salary sounded pretty good until we started humping and doing about 60 -70 hours a week to keep up with a project....

I was on "salary" so it did not matter how many hours we worked it still was the same pay......


You are basically on something not quite as bad as a salary based pay check,

I guess you are doing "straight time" and have agreed to it long ago....

Its not good, its not bad....it just depends on what other benefits the guy is giving to you.... like health insurance at a steep discount or free???
A take home truck??
Does he take you to a stripper bar every so often on Fridays????

These little benefits can add up....
I'm certain free health insurance isn't included. Take home truck? Guy could get a 2017 off the lot, Denali, lariat, etc. I will take it on the check.
 

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$300 weekly, $1200 monthly, $14400 annually, or 52 weeks by $300=$15600. Sounds like a pretty good deal. Do you have any brothers?
 

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If you were an employee of ours, I would want you to ask us. Your current explanation is sorta confusing because I'm just going to assume you're 60 he week is as follows- 40 hrs straight 20 hrs overtime. Subtract 1hr lunch 6 days and 45 min Sunday? 60 hrs minus 6.75 hrs (not sure how yours is .70) 53.75 hrs paid as 40 straight and 13.75 hrs time and half.
I would hope this is the situation but again. Ask! Might be a simple misunderstanding.

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If you were an employee of ours, I would want you to ask us. Your current explanation is sorta confusing because I'm just going to assume you're 60 he week is as follows- 40 hrs straight 20 hrs overtime. Subtract 1hr lunch 6 days and 45 min Sunday? 60 hrs minus 6.75 hrs (not sure how yours is .70) 53.75 hrs paid as 40 straight and 13.75 hrs time and half.
I would hope this is the situation but again. Ask! Might be a simple misunderstanding.

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Sorry I should have done .3hr as 18 mins on Sunday? Not 45 mins or .75hrs



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