well my house was built in 1969 and the copper is still good AFAIK
although i probably just put a hex on it now by saying that LOL
this is in clearwater florida on pinellas countywater
Waiting for your no doubt technically accurate and insightful write up on the subject matter .As bad as your alls water is in florida,
what is the rate of stomach cancers, Esophageal cancer in your area where this piping is eating itself from the inside out. I simply love how you diagnose all of the problems in a location you nothing about. You know nothing about our water supply and in what municipalities we have what problems.
If water treatment is non-existent in your area, I can see this leading to health issues, health concerns, death. We do have water treatment here. As usual, you are talking out your anus.
My friend in Broward County can install copper piping and last as long as it does up here in Kentucky,
damn near indefinite without the need for replacement. Your friend in south Florida has different water than up here in central Florida. It's apples and oranges.
Does the water district down there have a vetted interest with plastic piping industries, allowing for people with once fine copper piping systems, then change the water chemistry to allow destruction of the water piping?
I'm assuming this boils down to money, and what the water treatment facility in your area is refusing to address, and this is why you have a job. So we are going off on wild conspiracy theory tangents now? What next?
Copper piping deterioration is always geographical, never widespread. Along with the fact that 80% of the homes and businesses in america are using copper water piping for water distribution. This is a rare dunbar gem......a factual statement.
When you replace to plastic, you are masking a problem, because that water quality is corrosive to just more than copper piping. Chrome finishes are one such example. Again, you no nothing about the water quality here. You are talking out of your anus. Please oh master of water chemistry, tell me specifically what is causing all of the problems out here. What water samples will you be basing your expert analysis off of?
This is why copper cannot be used for RO system discharge; PH levels are at a level that will eat that piping quickly. Oh really, that's the problem huh? and what level is that? Where did you get this sample in central Florida. Please, grace me with your wealth of knowledge.
The state of Florida and their municipal water treatment facility has a lot to answer for regarding why they allowed a perfectly good piping material choice (copper) and allowed it in the homes of good tax paying floridians, only to allow water that sounds like battery acid flow through the piping and destroy it. Again, please grace us with your diagnosis of the problem out here so that we can learn the error of our ways oh guru of water chemistry.
If there is any reason to walk away from a house in florida, that would be a good one for allowing such an incident to create itself without methodical steps made on behalf of the water treatment facility to at least correct it. And what steps would those be, great one?
State of Florida Plumbing Division has a degree of accountability in this matter, why they approved the copper piping if they knowingly accepted the facts that the water would be detrimental to the piping and its use. "State of Florida Plumbing Division" huh? I'll make sure to give them a call. Just have to find that phone number though :whistling2:. Thank you for advising me of this branch of local government here. I had no idea such an agency existed. :whistling2:
Furthermore, what type of plumbing division in florida sets up homeowners for the fall in such a manner? And how did they supposedly do this again? Please, break it down for me.
The hell with talking about the material itself, who's running the ship down there and who is getting paid off in this "big picture" ??
I'm calling out the State of Florida Plumbing Division to be held accountable for their actions along with the complete denial of observations regarding piping choices for what was either known beforehand or known along the way, or was discussed behind closed doors without letting the general public aware of such conditions that may or may not cause inoperable harm (cancer). Quick! Call channel 9! You have uncovered something massive!
The State of Florida Plumbing Division must answer these questions, and why they misled the plumbers active in the state peforming these work duties using copper piping for potable water systems in conjunction with the inspectors that are allowing this piping choice, all the way down to the water treatment facilities that refuse to address this aggressive water condition. No, YOU must state an actual case based on facts and data. Oh, that's right, you don't have any. You're just some guy who doesn't have a high school level understanding of chemistry or physics spouting a bunch of crap from somewhere in Kentucky.
I came across a failure about this time last year that just blew my mind.Protech
There are a ton of reasons for the copper piping developing pinholes. From plumber error to the minerals in the water, add that to the vibration of the copper tubing installed in sand. We have a problem.
I agree with some of the others who have mentioned flux issues. I would also agree that poor quality pipe and water with high chlorine content can contribute to the issue. From my experience I tend to see pin hole leaks just a few inches from joints, in my opinion this is from too much flux which causes a ridge and in turn causes an eddy. think of rivers used for white water rafting or any river for that matter. that inconsistancey in the pipe changes the way the water flows and creates a weak spot in the pipe.. just my .02