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I have not seen thus model before but to me it looks like it would have a washer in it and not a cartridge. Does anyone recognize it and know what I'll need to repair a slow drip? Just trying to save some time as I'll be going by the supply house in the morning and then look at that in the afternoon and would rather get it done than wait until I have another reason to go 33 miles to the supply house.

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I have not seen thus model before but to me it looks like it would have a washer in it and not a cartridge. Does anyone recognize it and know what I'll need to repair a slow drip? Just trying to save some time as I'll be going by the supply house in the morning and then look at that in the afternoon and would rather get it done than wait until I have another reason to go 33 miles to the supply house.

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Is there supposed to be a picture? I bet it's a krowne, their markings are often faint laser etchings that come off.
 

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Is there supposed to be a picture? I bet it's a krowne, their markings are often faint laser etchings that come off.
Normally what we see here for those faucets are T/S as a standard and some times a Krowne.

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I’ve seen said faucet, but it’s been a while.
Some times you have to just open it up and see and go from there..
 

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In my experience those types need a new washer on the hot side. At the casino the water was so hot we had hot water resistant washers and would swap them out regularly.
 

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I figured based on the shape and age that it will likely be the type that needs a washer. But since I'll be at the supply house that's 35 minutes away, this morning and not getting to the valve until this afternoon I was hoping to same such a trip in case someone here knew what's inside it. Right now there are only a few counter guys left that might help identify old stuff.

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I have not seen thus model before but to me it looks like it would have a washer in it and not a cartridge. Does anyone recognize it and know what I'll need to repair a slow drip? Just trying to save some time as I'll be going by the supply house in the morning and then look at that in the afternoon and would rather get it done than wait until I have another reason to go 33 miles to the supply house.

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If it has a washer you can usually take it out and flip it over and I have never seen one like this
 

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I figured based on the shape and age that it will likely be the type that needs a washer...........
Might be a sterling, but those are usually branded.

I'm sure it has a washers and seats. Get the 26$ Jones Stephens set of flat washers, it's a good investment. Also get a simple seat resurfacing tool. Unfortunately though, when they've been trickling for a long time there's usually a deep groove eroded in the seat and you'll need to replace it. That's why I have a box of seats. You don't need the exact same brand or seat, just one with the same thread pitch and roughly the same size seat face.

Would you guys want me to make a detailed post on fixing old, compression style faucets? Not trying to be patronizing, I know most of you don't fix them all the time and usually just replace them. Sometimes you'd rather fix it quick while you're there and tell them if they continue to have issues you'll just need to replace it.
 
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Does that hot union have a built in stop?

Can you ask a maintenance guy or someone to snap a better pic?
 

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Might be a sterling, but those are usually branded.

I'm sure it has a washers and seats. Get the 26$ Jones Stephens set of flat washers, it's a good investment. Also get a simple seat resurfacing tool. Unfortunately though, when they've been trickling for a long time there's usually a deep groove eroded in the seat and you'll need to replace it. That's why I have a box of seats. You don't need the exact same brand or seat, just one with the same thread pitch and roughly the same size seat face.

Would you guys want me to make a detailed post on fixing old, compression style faucets? Not trying to be patronizing, I know most of you don't fix them all the time and usually just replace them. Sometimes you'd rather fix it quick while you're there and tell them if they continue to have issues you'll just need to replace it.
I have the Jones Stephen flat washer kit (no screws ) it has apparently been having just a slow drip for a couple of months (from what is was told)
Honestly I have never bothered to try and deal with a seat as no one I know have shown me how as they also don't do it. But mostly because normally a washer is enough so why get an expensive kit for those couple of times you could use it instead of telling them it's so old anyways that they just need a new one.

But if you can show me a good kit for a reasonable price where I can justify it then I would consider it. If you wanted to make a video to show us young ones how then I think most of us would gladly learn a new trick.

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Does that hot union have a built in stop?

Can you ask a maintenance guy or someone to snap a better pic?
That was sent to me yesterday before the office lady left and by the time I asked for a better pic she had left the place. No one will be around until this afternoon where I'm going to look at it anyways.

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That's my washer kit. It's a Chicago faucet. It looks like there is an Allen key stop built in but for right now we could not find the main shut off for the building so I did not dare to touch it. Oddly enough I have rarely seen a Chicago faucet around here but calling my supply house for the price on a new one I found out they actually sell that brand. I'll try to convince them of a new one as that one looks original to the building. T/S is 149. Chicago is 186.

T/S is good and have easy to get by parts. I'm not sure if Chicago would be worth it. Any input on whether I see stops or am just crazy? Also on your take between T/S and Chicago faucet?


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.........I'll try to convince them of a new one as that one looks original to the building. T/S is 149. Chicago is 186.

T/S is good and have easy to get by parts. I'm not sure if Chicago would be worth it. Any input on whether I see stops or am just crazy? Also on your take between T/S and Chicago faucet?
If it was me I'd tell them to keep it and I'd just rebuild it. Since you know it's a chicago faucet brand you could email them the pic and find out what seats, or at least the thread pitch you'd need.

But since you don't have much experience just replace it. The T&S will be slightly more durable and easier to get parts for. I assume the new CF you're looking at will be the quaturn stems which are really good too but don't take standard washers. The T&S can be upgraded/bought with ceramic stems. If there are no valves for just this faucet I'd suggest a model with integrated stops so you don't have to shut the main next time. The complete replacement T&S stems come with new handles, something that often fails on all faucets because people crank on them.

I'd go T&S.
 

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If it was me I'd tell them to keep it and I'd just rebuild it. Since you know it's a chicago faucet brand you could email them the pic and find out what seats, or at least the thread pitch you'd need.

But since you don't have much experience just replace it. The T&S will be slightly more durable and easier to get parts for. I assume the new CF you're looking at will be the quaturn stems which are really good too but don't take standard washers. The T&S can be upgraded/bought with ceramic stems. If there are no valves for just this faucet I'd suggest a model with integrated stops so you don't have to shut the main next time. The complete replacement T&S stems come with new handles, something that often fails on all faucets because people crank on them.

I'd go T&S.
I figured at that price it's really not worth it to try and repair it at its current age. I'm up for replacing washer on anything not too old. Seats are something I would like to learn how to replace but if the kit is very expensive then why bother as it seems most things these days come with cartridges or spindles that does not have a washer to replace anyways.

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I figured at that price it's really not worth it to try and repair it at its current age. I'm up for replacing washer on anything not too old. Seats are something I would like to learn how to replace but if the kit is very expensive then why bother as it seems most things these days come with cartridges or spindles that does not have a washer to replace anyways.
There's a good sexauer seat kit on the ebay right now for 75$ with almost all the original seats, the gauge, and the seat wrenches. WB sells bags of 10 seats for like 4$. Frankly you really only need like 6 different common seats. The thread gauge is worth it's weight in gold for identifying what will fit and those seat wrenches are nicer to use than the universal L shaped ones. Get a ratcheting combo wrench to use with the seat wrenches.




You'll want a #10-24 Tap and a bunch of stainless #10-24 screws. Just tap out the old stems to #10.
 

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That’s an old one. The chi fct quaturn stem units will work. I’ll bet the ceramic stem units will work as well. Even though their quality has went down since geberit bought them, they’re still a better faucet than t&s. But if t&s stuff is more readily available in your area then I’d think about changing it.
 

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