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Started out soldering and still enjoy it but, Propress all day long.

Propress has opened up doors to things I would've never done before thanks to XL kit. Just did a bunch of 3" stainless steel and previously a welder would've had to have done the job.
As long as you solder on your stops your fine with me ;)

And of course you install schedule 40 pvc, not that garbage abs/cell core lolz ;)
 

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Propress is just non reusable shark bites. Learn to solder!
HA! Sharkbites are non reusable shark bites!

Seriously, almost all of our issues with sharkbites were reused ones. People cut the orings shoving them on as new, you think they're going to hold up when the factory lube is gone?
 

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As long as you solder on your stops your fine with me ;)

And of course you install schedule 40 pvc, not that garbage abs/cell core lolz ;)
one day when you learn plumbing you can use compression stops and stop burning the paint off the walls....and get the back of the valve to touch the escutcheon so it looks nice close to the wall...;););)
 

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HA! Sharkbites are non reusable shark bites!

Seriously, almost all of our issues with sharkbites were reused ones. People cut the orings shoving them on as new, you think they're going to hold up when the factory lube is gone?
I predict down the line 10 or 15 years many of these sharkbite and propress joints will start to have issue when that little O ring that makes the seal starts to dry up and rot, or be effected by both chemical from the water or enviroment they are in...time will tell, no lab can make up for real time testing out in an uncontrolled environment...solder joints( properly done) have been proven to last as long as the pipe in most cases...tell me of any propress thats over 20 years old????
 

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one day when you learn plumbing you can use compression stops and stop burning the paint off the walls....and get the back of the valve to touch the escutcheon so it looks nice close to the wall...;););)
Nobody's doing drop ears and chrome nipples with ips anymore lol
 

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Nobody's doing drop ears and chrome nipples with ips anymore lol
only on shower arms..lol..that is true and I never installed them, I use to solder stops like 20 years ago, then started using compression stops and havent had a failure yet...thats compression on both ends..
 

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I predict down the line 10 or 15 years many of these sharkbite and propress joints will start to have issue when that little O ring that makes the seal starts to dry up and rot, or be effected by both chemical from the water or enviroment they are in...time will tell, no lab can make up for real time testing out in an uncontrolled environment...solder joints( properly done) have been proven to last as long as the pipe in most cases...tell me of any propress thats over 20 years old????
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They exist.

In all reality, I absolutely see why people are hesitant. What baffles me, is typically the people that hate on propress also install pex. I'm yet to see a press fitting fail. I see pex fail frequently.
 

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They exist.

In all reality, I absolutely see why people are hesitant. What baffles me, is typically the people that hate on propress also install pex. I'm yet to see a press fitting fail. I see pex fail frequently.
just introduced in 1999..but how much was actually used back then and the first 10 years?? like any new product it takes a while for it toget used enough to see if issues creep up...
I can see it will be pushed as it doesnt involve flame, fumes or real skill to use....and yeah it cuts down time at installation...after that the company made its profits, longevity doesnt matter after the warranty period from the company, usually 1 year..if the product fails it will be the manufacture sued for costs......how many other great plumbing materials have been introduced and in a few decades found out to be disaters waiting to happen.....??
 

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just introduced in 1999..but how much was actually used back then and the first 10 years?? like any new product it takes a while for it toget used enough to see if issues creep up...
I can see it will be pushed as it doesnt involve flame, fumes or real skill to use....and yeah it cuts down time at installation...after that the company made its profits....how many other great plumbing materials have been introduced and in a fe decades found out to be disaters waiting to happen.....??
I can see the reasoning behind why some are hesitant. The garage I bought a while ago has a office and two bathrooms that were all pressed in 2004. No problems as of yet.

One of my colleagues has a medium sized business and only runs propress and uponor pex for over 15yrs. They've only had issues when press wasn't pressed
 

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I can see the reasoning behind why some are hesitant. The garage I bought a while ago has a office and two bathrooms that were all pressed in 2004. No problems as of yet.

One of my colleagues has a medium sized business and only runs propress and uponor pex for over 15yrs. They've only had issues when press wasn't pressed
what I think the problem is..WATER QUALITY...here on long island the water is filled with chlorine you can smell it, and that will destroy plastic and rubber seals...I have well water upstate with no chemicals or treatment and it smells fresh and tastes great, so that wouldnt bother the propress seals...
and on heating systems any addatives or chemical treatments could damage the seals..but none of that effects a good soldered joint..
 

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What I really wanna know is how many of you old farts put in PolyB back in the day?
not here..copper only..untill pex got more cost effective....now pex is cheap compared to copper pipe and fittings and solder...I remember rolls of solder under 10 bucks now the dam lead free is 20 to 30 bucks a 1 pound roll..
 

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what I think the problem is..WATER QUALITY...here on long island the water is filled with chlorine you can smell it, and that will destroy plastic and rubber seals...I have well water upstate with no chemicals or treatment and it smells fresh and tastes great, so that wouldnt bother the propress seals...
and on heating systems any addatives or chemical treatments could damage the seals..but none of that effects a good soldered joint..
Orings for propress arent plastic or rubber. They're EPDM. Which is pretty resilient material
 

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Orings for propress arent plastic or rubber. They're EPDM. Which is pretty resilient material
I’m quite familiar with epdm. High voltage/amp three phase motor leads can require it to handle the heat. I’ve come across epdm in plumbing which made me wonder why. Interesting!
 

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Orings for propress arent plastic or rubber. They're EPDM. Which is pretty resilient material
yes I knew that, but it still degrades with some chemicals..and some systems can become acidic..like if you dont change your antifreeze in your truck, it becomes highly corrosive and you end up blowing head gaskets and other issues....just look at how many plumbing items get invented and then taken off the market when they start to fail, im not saying propress will be one of them..for me it makes no sense to use...if I was doing big commercial work and large mains then I would have to figure out the cost difference and see which one is more profitable...in the end that is one of the final things that determine the use of a certain system or not..
I used an edpm liner for a koi pond, its tuff stuff and after 20 years it still held up, but NO chemicals were in the water...
 
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