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In 2003, RED-WHITE VALVE CORP. was acquired by Valvoindustria Ing. Rizzio (VIR) of Italy. Renowned for their fifty years of manufacturing the best bronze and brass valves in the world, VIR added to RWV the ability to supply our customers the highest quality products with the industries best brand name.
Jomar is affiliated with Fratelli Pettinaroli Group.
My R-W rep says their ball valves are made in Italy.
My Jomar rep says the 100 series ball valves are made in Italy as well.
 

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I have a friend who is in the “ know “ about international valve manufacturing.

I will be seeing him in the next few days and I’m going to pick his brain if he wants to talk.

Sonetime you can’t shut him up about valves and other time you mention valve and he act like you grabbed his wife ass. So we’ll see
 

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In 2003, RED-WHITE VALVE CORP. was acquired by Valvoindustria Ing. Rizzio (VIR) of Italy. Renowned for their fifty years of manufacturing the best bronze and brass valves in the world, VIR added to RWV the ability to supply our customers the highest quality products with the industries best brand name.
Jomar is affiliated with Fratelli Pettinaroli Group.
My R-W rep says their ball valves are made in Italy.
My Jomar rep says the 100 series ball valves are made in Italy as well.
That particular Jomar I posted is made in China.
 

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Maybe I am just old school, but I never cared for press fittings. I'm not meant for that club and it's not meant for me.
Thursday I installed a softener in a crawlspace. Manager ordered me all press fittings. I was getting the old one out and was thinking screw that I'll solder the new one in. Then I smelt a touch of propane. Had me helper get my squirt bottle and found the union on the furnace right behind my back wasn't even finger tight!!! decided this one could just be pressed in.

I solder much more than I use pex or press. But I have that luxury doing service. Our newcon guys don't get that autonomy. Mind you we always do copper stub outs and solder all of our stops. Shower valves are all soldered too and just switch to pex where the lines go through the floor. Soldered copper doesn't make you shorten the pipe to work on something down the road. Some of our customers change fixtures like underwear. Besides, we all know how black painted or ORB finishes hold up...
 

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I don’t like PEX or propress either. However, as you stated, a lot of the time, we have to use them in construction; projects are just bid that way. Luckily, there are a fair number of jurisdictions that will not allow plastic pipe of any kind, nor will they allow pressed fittings on copper pipe.

I also still find a lot of value and time saved in being a little old school like using a tee extractor. The joints have to be silver soldered but it is far cheaper than pressed or even regular fittings on large diameter to small diameter pipe.
 

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I don’t like PEX or propress either. However, as you stated, a lot of the time, we have to use them in construction; projects are just bid that way. Luckily, there are a fair number of jurisdictions that will not allow plastic pipe of any kind, nor will they allow pressed fittings on copper pipe.

I also still find a lot of value and time saved in being a little old school like using a tee extractor. The joints have to be silver soldered but it is far cheaper than pressed or even regular fittings on large diameter to small diameter pipe.
It's funny you mention how things are bid. Because I am quite proficient with soldering I can often complete something like a softener install fast enough with sweat fittings that it costs the same. Press fittings cost a lot and our quotes are made not knowing exactly whom will be sent to do the install. I don't fool around so I will generally be 30-60mins faster than most other guys depending on the job.

Not saying I am special, it's just that our couple other guys who would get pulled off newcon to do such things are still wet behind the ears. They also don't have jack for parts or tools on their vans yet. We have one guy, he managed to go 6 months without a basin wrench until I gave him one. I had to go back on a faucet install he did. He said before he got his own van he always just borrow one from the journeyman he was with.
 

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There’s no way that I’d build a house and use copper press fittings. It’s just an inferior method to soldering of joining copper tube.

It uses orings to seal. Enough said.
For me, in my world, it’s plumbers vs design engineers vs code.

Code and engineers seem to love press fittings. Most of the plumbers (around here, anyway) see it as the full employment act in about 10 years when they start to fail.

I kind of feel the same way about PEX.
 

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In 2003, RED-WHITE VALVE CORP. was acquired by Valvoindustria Ing. Rizzio (VIR) of Italy. Renowned for their fifty years of manufacturing the best bronze and brass valves in the world, VIR added to RWV the ability to supply our customers the highest quality products with the industries best brand name.
Jomar is affiliated with Fratelli Pettinaroli Group.
My R-W rep says their ball valves are made in Italy.
My Jomar rep says the 100 series ball valves are made in Italy as well.
Some are made in Italy, some in China. Not sure how they decide where to have what produced.

I always order valves with bleeders which are always lead free and almost always made in Italy. I would guess that their "heating only" valves are made in China due to the risk of the brass not meeting maximum lead requirements.
 

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faulty parts are faulty parts. I'm sure when the industry changed from galvanized iron pipe to copper the same arguments applied. I have the same feelings about flexible gas lines (CSST) covered up in finished basements and running through walls into finished spaces, all run "willy nilly" throughout new homes and remodels. When it comes to flammable gases nothing beats threaded iron pipe. Though I do dabble in MegaPress from time to time.
 

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I pick my materials based off the install conditions.

In that case here it goes.

Soldered copper for water( city water )
Rehau pex a with Boshart stainless fittings. (Well water)
Brazed copper for gas
Pvc for DWV


Right now In my area, that’s what I’d use in MY new home, nothing else considered except for reasonable cost.
 

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I pick my materials based off the install conditions.

In that case here it goes.

Soldered copper for water( city water )
Rehau pex a with Boshart stainless fittings. (Well water)
Brazed copper for gas
Pvc for DWV


Right now In my area, that’s what I’d use in MY new home, nothing else considered except for reasonable cost.
Copper for Nat/Gas or LP?
 

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Copper for Nat/Gas or LP?
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I’m not opposed to steel pipe inside the structure. But I’d still use copper in my area because it has a proven track record for over 50 yrs with no significant problems.

With the salt air and one of the top rainfall totals in the continental United States, steel piping outside or in a crawlspace isn’t desirable,
 

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I’m not opposed to steel pipe inside the structure. But I’d still use copper in my area because it has a proven track record for over 50 yrs with no significant problems.

With the salt air and one of the top rainfall totals in the continental United States, steel piping outside or in a crawlspace isn’t desirable,
Makes sense.
 
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