Plumbing Zone - Professional Plumbers Forum banner

21 - 40 of 52 Posts

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,827 Posts
Putting a heater lets say a year after it was purchased might get me in trouble 10 years down the road as most insurance require to have it replaced. The customer would argue it was only 9 years old but the date on the heater would state 10 years. I bet the insurance will only consider the date on the heater...
If the homeowner has the billing to show the Installation Date that is it for Warranty
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #22 (Edited)
Putting a heater lets say a year after it was purchased might get me in trouble 10 years down the road as most insurance require to have it replaced. The customer would argue it was only 9 years old but the date on the heater would state 10 years. I bet the insurance will only consider the date on the heater...
Tango you need to stop worrying about what queers who run your province think...
you are not gonna get into trouble with them.... .
It does not mean a thing here how long a heater sits....
the receipt the customer gets from me is when the warranty begins...
we were installing 2002 heaters all the way into 2005
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,203 Posts
I might as well pull the trigger on this..... I am not switching brands anytime soon
so every heater I buy is gonna save me about 75 bucks.... so just do the math.

Back when the heaters went to fvir units in 2003 we bought 150 of the old style units
75 40 short and 75 50 talls.... and crammed them into our building.... 😆 😆
then I picked up another 80 more old style ones along the way into 2004
we made out like bandits cause the new style cost about 90 more each....

they dont spoil, we put in probably 8 a week...and saving 75 bucks....
I am debating on how many to buy....??
So you are gonna hoard water heaters because of the new crappy valve or the price hike???everything is going up no matter what it is,can anybody say recession anytime soon???
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #24
So you are gonna hoard water heaters because of the new crappy valve or the price hike???everything is going up no matter what it is,can anybody say recession anytime soon???
Well, I was debating about this today.....
I am Going to ask my salesman for the price to get 20 -40 gallon gas and 20 -50 gallon units
maybe 20 50 electrics??
But they have to come with the new white Rojer's gas valve on them...
We got plenty of room to store them and they normally dont last all that long
if they will promise me the better gas valves its not too difficult to move them
considering I did 3 today and maybe one on satruday morning
 

·
Registered
Pornstar, Service Plumber
Joined
·
5,575 Posts
........
if they will promise me the better gas valves its not too difficult to move them
considering I did 3 today and maybe one on Saturday morning
You better check every last one to make sure it has the correct gas valve. Don't trust no warehouse worker.

I ordered ten chrome 3/8" compression nuts the other day. I recieved nine brass 7/8" ballcock nuts and a 1/2" brass IP nut. WTF.

I order 10$ ball valves with bleeders and get 40$ three way ball valves. WTF.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,434 Posts
Well, I was debating about this today.....
I am Going to ask my salesman for the price to get 20 -40 gallon gas and 20 -50 gallon units
maybe 20 50 electrics??
But they have to come with the new white Rojer's gas valve on them...
We got plenty of room to store them and they normally dont last all that long
if they will promise me the better gas valves its not too difficult to move them
considering I did 3 today and maybe one on satruday morning
Damn it's the first time ever to buy only one spare 1x 60 gallon in the garage and I wonder in how many months it's going to sit there. I just hope someone wants one absolutely on a weekend, going to charge several hundreds more.
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #27
Damn it's the first time ever to buy only one spare 1x 60 gallon in the garage and I wonder in how many months it's going to sit there. I just hope someone wants one absolutely on a weekend, going to charge several hundreds more.
I made the mistake of buying 3 50 gallon short gas water heaters and 2 of them have sat in my shop
all last summer long....
50 short heaters are slow movers and cost more so I might have to
unload them on the next basement 50 I have to do just to move the stock around...
I think I got them not last summer but the summer before this one....gonna have to check the
date on them---
You know that they never spoil and having a good inventory in stock
keeps down the time you spend dicking around at the supply house....:);)
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,434 Posts
I made the mistake of buying 3 50 gallon short gas water heaters and 2 of them have sat in my shop
all last summer long....
50 short heaters are slow movers and cost more so I might have to
unload them on the next basement 50 I have to do just to move the stock around...
I think I got them not last summer but the summer before this one....gonna have to check the
date on them---
You know that they never spoil and having a good inventory in stock
keeps down the time you spend dicking around at the supply house....:);)
I just bought it because the suppliers didn't have any for 3 months. and I was lucky enough to get one for installation(they only received 8 units), so I decided to buy a spare, that way if everyone is out I get to make a paycheck. I won't buy more though, I spent weeks and weeks clearing 10 years of pile up in the garage and I'll be storing the car in there this summer. No room for heaters and either way I'm wasting a lot of time at the supplier buying them and spending more time to move it around.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,203 Posts
Well, I was debating about this today.....
I am Going to ask my salesman for the price to get 20 -40 gallon gas and 20 -50 gallon units
maybe 20 50 electrics??
But they have to come with the new white Rojer's gas valve on them...
We got plenty of room to store them and they normally dont last all that long
if they will promise me the better gas valves its not too difficult to move them
considering I did 3 today and maybe one on satruday morning
They should cut you a pretty good deal buying that many also,I just can't do that,I have nowhere to store them nor do I want to tie up money like that,we may go a week and out 10 heaters in but then it may go a month or more and nothing
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #31
I just bought it because the suppliers didn't have any for 3 months. and I was lucky enough to get one for installation(they only received 8 units), so I decided to buy a spare, that way if everyone is out I get to make a paycheck. I won't buy more though, I spent weeks and weeks clearing 10 years of pile up in the garage and I'll be storing the car in there this summer. No room for heaters and either way I'm wasting a lot of time at the supplier buying them and spending more time to move it around.
I think that is exactly why I bought the 50 low boys way back when,,, I needed one and they were none to
be had anywhere in 50 miles... HD Pro shipped me up 3 from tennesee
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #32
Its called Affirmitive action... when you really have not earned the education to
do the job, but you have been put in a position of power because of politics...
Basically just like the last election..... you cheat to get to where you are and
then everyone else suffers the consequences...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,160 Posts
Its called Affirmitive action... when you really have not earned the education to
do the job, but you have been put in a position of power because of politics...
Basically just like the last election..... you cheat to get to where you are and
then everyone else suffers the consequences...
and we will be suffering alot very soon...
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #34
just drove 73 miles round trip to change out a gas valve on a heater we installed in june
Told my rheem salesman on wednesday that I expected to go that far on Sat afternoon
to the other side of town to do this call...its called murpheys law....
. He laughed and said I should think more positive...
the call was within 5 blocks of where I told him I thought I would be going....
I guess I am becoming psychic or something..... just figure out the most outrageous, stupid
dumb ass thing that could possible happen and that is what it will be......

Now, if only I could predict when and where to buy my power ball tickets to win the lottery....
 

·
Registered
Pornstar, Service Plumber
Joined
·
5,575 Posts
.........Now, if only I could predict when and where to buy my power ball tickets to win the lottery....
Don't you pick your own powerball number and when and where you buy it is superfluous so long as it's before the powerball drawing?

I have good news mark, you can predict where and when to buy your powerball ticket, you just can't predict the winning number ;)
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #36
Just got back from repairs on a 6 month old 50 electric.... close to home....'
they are going to have to start paying me more warranty money for
the weekends if they want to keep me happpy
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,351 Posts
I'm also having issues with Rheem gas valves(SIT Delta 650s). So bad there are none available nation wide......apparently if the Water Heater was manufactured November 2020 or later you are off the hook. SIT fessed up and said there was a issue on there end, and if the Rheem was made after November you should be good. My valves are Grey, haven't seen the Blue ones since 2019. Also starting in February 2021 they will be White Rodgers valves, not SIT anymore.

Mark,

Not following you on issue with Burner Assembly, I haven''t run into that. I find the Rheems to be easier to repair than the ICON or Honeywell.

I'm getting pretty sick of the failures though....Rheem used to be set it and forget it with no issues.....Bradford White has been pretty go for me.....but there Icon Valve last 6 years pretty much a given..Not sure if AO Smith or State would be better options but I'm considering them, I do like my Rheem supplier best though.
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #38 (Edited)
I'm also having issues with Rheem gas valves(SIT Delta 650s). So bad there are none available nation wide......apparently if the Water Heater was manufactured November 2020 or later you are off the hook. SIT fessed up and said there was a issue on there end, and if the Rheem was made after November you should be good. My valves are Grey, haven't seen the Blue ones since 2019. Also starting in February 2021 they will be White Rodgers valves, not SIT anymore.

Mark,

Not following you on issue with Burner Assembly, I haven''t run into that. I find the Rheems to be easier to repair than the ICON or Honeywell.

I'm getting pretty sick of the failures though....Rheem used to be set it and forget it with no issues.....Bradford White has been pretty go for me.....but there Icon Valve last 6 years pretty much a given..Not sure if AO Smith or State would be better options but I'm considering them, I do like my Rheem supplier best though.
It is just wise to bring along a burner assembly with you when you service one...
we have had a number self destruct when you take the small aluminum gas supply out of
the gas valve.... the nut and ferrull come off the small supply line and get stuck in the body
of the gas valve...... then you have to pry out the nut and ferrull from the body....

I dont know if it can actually be slid back on the small gas line or not.
I just threw a shi/ fit about this because it did not seem safe to fool with it....

they are going to be doing the new gas valves soon....
I really would rather use the easy Rheem unit over
the crappy honeywell valves and the icon valves....

Yesterday , we just changed out a whole heater for some insurance company where the guys did not
have the parts available ... The owner had waited about 3 weeks on them and finally gave up
They had a change out # from Rheem , so I just took it out and installed a new rheem...
.I hope that the new heater does not give us fits... We had the new heater in stock for a while and
I am crossing my fingers it does not start this crap....


check out how they had rigged up the sparkey thing with a wire nut
they had already changed the gas valve and then finally gave up and did
not come back

128126
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
50 Posts
Are those blue gas valves for Nat gas heaters only? I also used to use BW heaters but my supplier changed to Rheem. Only models I've had trouble with is the mother boards on the hybrid electric units. I just did a 40 gallon LP and noticed the valve was the same style in your photo but off white in color.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
 

·
philosopher and statesmen
Joined
·
7,528 Posts
Discussion Starter #40
Are those blue gas valves for Nat gas heaters only? I also used to use BW heaters but my supplier changed to Rheem. Only models I've had trouble with is the mother boards on the hybrid electric units. I just did a 40 gallon LP and noticed the valve was the same style in your photo but off white in color.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
The one in the picture above is the Robert Shaw or White Rojers replacement valve that they have been sending out to replace the
crappy blue valves and grey valves too

things will settle down eventually ---I hope---
I will give them time to get things up and running again

Rheem is much easier to fool with and change parts...
just a simple thermocoupling that I have used for decades...

I dread trying to change a crappy thermopile on a honeywell control
I got some spares in my truck ( $50 each) and it is usually a waste of time
expecting to do a simple change out on the Icon or honeywell---its always a clusterfuc/
 
21 - 40 of 52 Posts
Top