Dag nab it. I got the drain open, but when I pulled the cable back, no cutter AAAHHHHHH!!!!!. I use slip joint fittings and I bet I forgot to tighten the allen screws. the one on the cable was missing. I couldn't get my camera around a clay T on it's side. so I havent got the cutter yet. I'll bust cement at the clay T tomorrow so I can get access to the pipe. What A deal. It's the third time I've done that. I'll start tapeing a note to my forhead "don't forget to tighten the cutter".