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Received a call back to do a job after the big blue truck gave a quote, I knew they were going to get some high prices so I shot a little high. this was the job. Replace 3 customers faucets in bathroom 4" on center, replace 6 shut off pex valves. needed to use quest to pex adapters. reused pvc traps that unscrewed, six supplys. Shoot me some prices and I tell you what their quote was.
 

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You'll have to be a little more specific. What kind of faucet exactly did you quote? I'll give you a proposal, Kohler lever handle chrome, new pop up drain, two new ss risers, two new stops $488.00 per sink, total job = $1464.00
So what did you quote them? LOL

BUT...... I would have walked and not did the job because of the quest piping, I don't touch it no matter what the price. That's why I don't quote over the phone, it's different every time.
 

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customer supplied faucets, and around here copper gets eaten up by the acid in the water and soil. so new price without faucets and I'll list price they quoted later.
 

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my new business plan is to follow the big blue truck and pick up all the jobs they get a no too! ready $1648.00 and wanted to use their faucets for additional up charge. Job took me 3.50 hrs.
 

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As far as Im concerned...and I know the Clockwork pricing system....any company that tries to hire sales people and "communicators" to push that pricing thru have reached terminal velocity. The negative word of mouth will bite their market share squarely on the cheek.
 

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As far as Im concerned...and I know the Clockwork pricing system....any company that tries to hire sales people and "communicators" to push that pricing thru have reached terminal velocity. The negative word of mouth will bite their market share squarely on the cheek.

You can say that again! Word of mouth is the greatest form of advertisement there is. I haven't used the yellow pages in a long time, no need for it anymore. If I charged over 500 dollars to install a customer provided faucet I would be out of business in no time. There's one company around here who charges like that, I always get the jobs. I Know what they charge and I know how to bid them.:thumbsup:
 

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Received a call back to do a job after the big blue truck gave a quote, I knew they were going to get some high prices so I shot a little high. this was the job. Replace 3 customers faucets in bathroom 4" on center, replace 6 shut off pex valves. needed to use quest to pex adapters. reused pvc traps that unscrewed, six supplys. Shoot me some prices and I tell you what their quote was.
Have you sent them a thank you note? Their presence in the market place is what allowed you to do this. Had they not been there how much lower would your profit numbers have been on this job? Would you have even made a profit? Did you even make a profit?

I am not associated with BF but I am glad they are around. I know Song Dog has had his problems with them but I bet he will be the first to tell you that he learned some very valuable things from them while with them. I want to see more companies in the market who are stretching the envelope. I don't want to be entering crawl spaces on my back or belly when I'm 70.

I know BF is a favorite target but anyone who has them in their market should be raising their prices immediately. Just my opinion.
 

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I know BF is a favorite target but anyone who has them in their market should be raising their prices immediately. Just my opinion.
Plumbers should be raising their prices anyway. Do you want to be known as one that sets the standard for the other plumbers or just another Billy Buttcrack.

I have never understood that if you know what another company is charging why you would do it for any less.

Example: years ago we looked at installing a 2.5" gas line to a paint booth. the client told us what the other company bid and wanted us to do it for less, what he didn't know was that the bid was face up on his desk with a higher price than he was telling us. Did we underbid the other company/ NO in fact we were almsot $1,000.00 higher and got the job.

Another example: we quoted a water heater and another company came in quoted a price that was almost 1/2 of our price. Guess what we still did the job.

Price is not always the issue, it is the percieved value that sales the job.
 

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I hope I dont detect a slight nose in the air attitude here. Gem plumbing quit PSI as soon as the franchises split off. Why? Houston and Indianapolis and maybe Birmingham are more or less insulated from the external economic condition with respect to plumbing. $600 for 3.5 hours work is $171.00 per hour not considering a show up fee. If there isnt 15% net profit in that then they should consider trimming expenses. Watch out for the persons who are willing to do a good job and market well and have image because if their prices are lower they will eat your lunch--its the American way.
 

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Prosper pricing is supposed to be a win for the customer also---that gets forgotton real quick with systems and procedures sucking the soul of compassion out of service . Go ahead make my day.
 

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Have you sent them a thank you note? Their presence in the market place is what allowed you to do this. Had they not been there how much lower would your profit numbers have been on this job? Would you have even made a profit? Did you even make a profit?

I am not associated with BF but I am glad they are around.
I agree, never want to be the most expensive or the cheapest.
 

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I had a discussion with Tab Hunter (pres. of BF franchise) and by the way he was a very successful plmg. contractor in Nashville and came up thru the ranks and when he ran his business he wasnt anywhere near the BF pricing. But BF will tell you to cut off your family to make a bottom line and if you are corporate they will. " BF is all about making money" his own words. When they were listening to calls in Jax area and the plumber quoted $25 per 1/4 hour after show fee Tab said thats pretty good. So its possible some of these BF ers are out of control.
 

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Ive defended the PSI, BF stuff in the past because of the organization, talented bsnss. people, good bsnss. practices, and systems are the right way to have "control" but I wont be silent at the pure ignorance and disregard for the customer to quote almost $1500 for 3.5 hrs work. And I wont thank them for helping me. I wouldnt thank a thief for being in the neighborhood.


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I didn't say what my number was for this job but it's not $1500 or $1464 or $1648. All I'm saying is that the guy who has been charging $450 to install 3 ho's faucets has got to know, after hearing BF wants $1648, which includes BF's faucets, that the ho will jump at the chance to pay him $900 to install his 3 crappy $100 faucets from Blowe's. This is what I mean by being glad they are in the market. A rising tide should lift every boat in the ocean, unless the captain is determined to be a submarine.
 

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Have you sent them a thank you note? Their presence in the market place is what allowed you to do this. Had they not been there how much lower would your profit numbers have been on this job? Would you have even made a profit? Did you even make a profit?

I am not associated with BF but I am glad they are around. I know Song Dog has had his problems with them but I bet he will be the first to tell you that he learned some very valuable things from them while with them. I want to see more companies in the market who are stretching the envelope. I don't want to be entering crawl spaces on my back or belly when I'm 70.

I know BF is a favorite target but anyone who has them in their market should be raising their prices immediately. Just my opinion.
I went up a bit because of BF. But BF now RIP because of word of mouth and very high prices closed it's doors. Proves Image and high prices don't work in small town America.
 
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I went up a bit because of BF. But BF now RIP because of word of mouth and very high prices closed it's doors. Proves Image and high prices don't work in small town America.
You got that right. I compete against a PSI company on a daily basis. Just got one, bid $865.00, they bid $1,850.00,..... and I thought my quote was high!:laughing:
 
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