Plumbing Zone - Professional Plumbers Forum banner

221 - 240 of 274 Posts

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,525 Posts
Yea that is true sometimes you get so much can't even pull it out of the cleanout... other times you only pull bits out then you video and roots are insane get heart palpitations just thinking about it..

What are spartan connectors like...never even seen them.. only general , ridgid here maybe old Marco or electric eels too
Spartan cables use a roll pin. Real PITA at times, but I trust it more than the ridgid half turn ones! The 6200 I have, which is for sale, uses roll pins, but unless the company I bought it from changed the cable... or maybe ridgid changed?

Have you ever cabled through a 4” clean out only to find out it transitions to 6” and you bring back a 6” root ball? Fun times!

When I get a main line I alway give two prices. Cable only or both cable and video. 90% of the time I just cable. Different warranty’s too.
 

·
Registered
Pornstar, Service Plumber
Joined
·
5,575 Posts
I use a car jack and 4 vice grips after plenty of time in reverse. Gets pretty hairy at times!



What did you do that it got that bad?


I usually start with a single half crescent shaped head to avoid stuff like that. Test the waters so to speak. No need to go balls deep first thing and risk getting stuck or breaking a cable.






.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tango

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,525 Posts
What did you do that it got that bad?


I usually start with a single half crescent shaped head to avoid stuff like that. Test the waters so to speak. No need to go balls deep first thing and risk getting stuck or breaking a cable.






.
I had a very bad experience with a hole saw once early on, same with the scoop too. So I don’t trust them. I use the proper two or three blade cutter, always with a kink! Half cutter when I get into those WTF situations.

I have noticed that when I reduce size of cutter, I get in more trouble, so “balls deep” works best for me.

I always hated training people in cleaning! I always cringe when I see the cable tightening! Everyone has their Own technique in cleaning.
 

·
Registered
Plumber/Gasfitter
Joined
·
923 Posts
Discussion Starter #228
Spartan cables use a roll pin. Real PITA at times, but I trust it more than the ridgid half turn ones! The 6200 I have, which is for sale, uses roll pins, but unless the company I bought it from changed the cable... or maybe ridgid changed?

Have you ever cabled through a 4” clean out only to find out it transitions to 6” and you bring back a 6” root ball? Fun times!

When I get a main line I alway give two prices. Cable only or both cable and video. 90% of the time I just cable. Different warranty’s too.
Every drain here transitions to 6" , 5" at minimum..... but yea sometimes the small cutters grab the root pony and twist it up into rope then balls up on cable and then you gotta chew them off slow....

Have had it happen with wipes too
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,525 Posts
Every drain here transitions to 6" , 5" at minimum..... but yea sometimes the small cutters grab the root pony and twist it up into rope then balls up on cable and then you gotta chew them off slow....

Have had it happen with wipes too
Well I guess that makes sense if a hole saw cutter is tooth on both sides!

Most 6” lines have a 6” clean out here. Mandatory k-1500. I charge more for that pig.
 

·
Registered
Pornstar, Service Plumber
Joined
·
5,575 Posts
Every drain here transitions to 6" , 5" at minimum..... but yea sometimes the small cutters grab the root pony and twist it up into rope then balls up on cable and then you gotta chew them off slow....

Have had it happen with wipes too



I think the thing to keep in mind is that you guys are using 7/8" open cable while I am using a solid wound with center wire 5/8". The roots grab on to open cables much more than the solid cable.







.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,525 Posts
I think the thing to keep in mind is that you guys are using 7/8" open cable while I am using a solid wound with center wire 5/8". The roots grab on to open cables much more than the solid cable.







.
Honestly, I’ve never run an open cable. The idea scares me with what I see out here....
 

·
Registered
Pornstar, Service Plumber
Joined
·
5,575 Posts
Honestly, I’ve never run an open cable. The idea scares me with what I see out here....



I thought you ran a sectional with open cable? How heavy is that stuff if it's solid? Kinda defeats the purpose of having a sectional if you're lugging around heavy stuff like that don't it?



We have a larger ridgid sectional and it takes open cable that we keep in baskets. It's strong but I almost never use it. If the line is that bad it needs to be dug up.








.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,827 Posts
I usually start with a single half crescent shaped head to avoid stuff like that. Test the waters so to speak. No need to go balls deep first thing and risk getting stuck or breaking a cable.

I never start that way I always start with the biggest blade set that will
fit through the C/O, I found that little blades or singles get buried in Roots,
I had that happen on a job working with the lead plumber from shop,
he ran a 2" blade down a 21/2" C/O ran it all the way out got it buried
in a 6" line full of Roots, could not pull it out, even burning out the clutch
in a truck pulling on it, ended up digging it up at street which was about
10' deep, cut the pipe and pulled it out
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,525 Posts
I thought you ran a sectional with open cable? How heavy is that stuff if it's solid? Kinda defeats the purpose of having a sectional if you're lugging around heavy stuff like that don't it?



We have a larger ridgid sectional and it takes open cable that we keep in baskets. It's strong but I almost never use it. If the line is that bad it needs to be dug up.








.
I do use the k1500 on occasion. The cables that came with have a plastic/rubber core. I won’t knowingly put my .55 down a 6”, so that’s what I use it for. Yeah, the spools are pretty heavy, but I only use it a few times a year. Really only one town around here has 6” for residential, stupid imho. The lines get so infested with roots it’s ridiculous!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
20 Posts
I do use the k1500 on occasion. The cables that came with have a plastic/rubber core. I won’t knowingly put my .55 down a 6”, so that’s what I use it for. Yeah, the spools are pretty heavy, but I only use it a few times a year. Really only one town around here has 6” for residential, stupid imho. The lines get so infested with roots it’s ridiculous!
The joys of Michigan my friend! I've seen a few videos where guys are running a camera through a 6" and see some tiny bits of roots and comment on how they have root infestation. Around here we call that a clean sewer .

Also, 1500 is my go to. I hate the machine with a passion and would kill to get a 5208 but alas. It's a PITA to move around some of the houses south of 8 mile and hoarder homes.
 

·
Registered
Plumber/Gasfitter
Joined
·
923 Posts
Discussion Starter #236
5/8" inner core speed rooter 92... regular diet of 4" and 6" pipe full of roots... 6" 3blade expanding cutter cleans pretty good... no 6" cleanouts on orginal sewers really but you can squish down 6" regular blades and feed them into the 4" cleanout... 5/8 does the trick 3/4 better when you got maple or oak roots size of your finger in there...

Most people cleanouts are buried in the finished basement so your stuck using 4" cutters from floor drain or stack c.o... sometimes there's only 3" access to so hard to clean 6" pipe with 3" blades... alot of home owners to cheap to pay for camera....

If they call through municipalitity we video and clean as good as we can get it... use jetter if we have to... one time free .. doesn't matter if it's a house, factory , restaurant, shopping mall, apartment building... we inspect the sewer to the municipal drain and if its messed up past the property line... city will dig or line
 

·
Registered
Pornstar, Service Plumber
Joined
·
5,575 Posts
5/8" inner core speed rooter 92...



As I have said before I run the same machine and love it. Attached is a picture of the head I run first, just one of those side cutter blades. If I pull back minimal roots/wipes/fhp I will go up in size to two of those side cutters or a different head. If I pull back a lot of roots/wipes/fhp then I will run the single bit back down again.


If there is a lot of sewage with minimal water I find one of the best methods is to use a pair of rotary cutter blades or the heavy duty rotary cutter, send the cable all the way out, and pull it back manually. This will create a scooping effect which will allow the water sitting on top to mix with the sewage so it can flow down stream.


Always keep as much water in the clogged line as you can so when you open the line a little it will flush out more easily.




.
 

Attachments

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,525 Posts
The joys of Michigan my friend! I've seen a few videos where guys are running a camera through a 6" and see some tiny bits of roots and comment on how they have root infestation. Around here we call that a clean sewer .

Also, 1500 is my go to. I hate the machine with a passion and would kill to get a 5208 but alas. It's a PITA to move around some of the houses south of 8 mile and hoarder homes.
I hear that 6” and really bad roots is common out in the Grand Rapids area too. I really only see 6” residential in one area near me. I charge double for the 1500. So much extra work, have to make it worth my time....
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
8,525 Posts
I need to buy a jetter. I want to pay a couple things off first. I use to send my jet jobs to a smaller franchise company. They have a guy who’s really good and I tell the HO to insist on him, but twice now I’ve had a customer call and say the guy they sent was clueless.

Found a new company, so far so good. Plus they give a spiff. “Referral fee”
 

·
Registered
Plumber/Gasfitter
Joined
·
923 Posts
Discussion Starter #240
I need to buy a jetter. I want to pay a couple things off first. I use to send my jet jobs to a smaller franchise company. They have a guy who’s really good and I tell the HO to insist on him, but twice now I’ve had a customer call and say the guy they sent was clueless.

Found a new company, so far so good. Plus they give a spiff. “Referral fee”

Never ends with tools always want something else.... You get a jetter then you need back hoe to dig it up because sewer is gonezo
 
221 - 240 of 274 Posts
Top