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Mainline stoppage in a poorly constructed home. No cleanout access anywhere, no basement. Toilet and bathtub full of sewage. Climbed on up on the roof with the K-60 and went out 150 feet from the main vent. Pulled back hordes of "tiny white mice." Nasty little buggers. I usually never go on roofs, expecially being used to rely on a drum machine for years. It was actually not bad at all. I think I'd much rather go on a roof rather than ever pull a nasty sewage-filled toilet ever again.:no:
 

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Stuart! OMG! STUART!!!!
 

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I hate roofs, you won't ever catch me up there. Kind of reminds me of the time I cut out a cast iron stack and as soon as I pulled the piece off an army of spider crickets came climbing out. There were hundreds of these things living in the 4" vent.

For those that might not have them in there area. Nasty things they can jump about 3" high and they get pretty big. I hate these things. I also hate roofs. You won't catch me climbing up there with a rooter.
 

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I hate roofs, you won't ever catch me up there. Kind of reminds me of the time I cut out a cast iron stack and as soon as I pulled the piece off an army of spider crickets came climbing out. There were hundreds of these things living in the 4" vent.

For those that might not have them in there area. Nasty things they can jump about 3" high and they get pretty big. I hate these things. I also hate roofs. You won't catch me climbing up there with a rooter.
We have them in abundance here in VA. Wonder if they are good bass bait?
 

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Those things are deffently a money maker:laughing:
We don't have that type of species over hear. The one we have are called pink mice. :laughing:

I seen one time years ago so many tangled up on a head of a cable that they looked like one huge sink weight.

In Christ,

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I Use Same Tools And Hit It From The Roof About 95% Of The Time Unless C/o Is Exposed And Even Then Unless They Want To Pay Me For Trimming The Lawn I Hit It From The Roof. I Once Filled 2- 15' Sections To Look Like A Christmas Tree Light String Full Of These Mice. Recomend An Exterminater.
I Do Live In Florida Where The Vast Majority Of Homes Are Single Stories.
 

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Mainline stoppage in a poorly constructed home. No cleanout access anywhere, no basement. Toilet and bathtub full of sewage. Climbed on up on the roof with the K-60 and went out 150 feet from the main vent. Pulled back hordes of "tiny white mice." Nasty little buggers. I usually never go on roofs, expecially being used to rely on a drum machine for years. It was actually not bad at all. I think I'd much rather go on a roof rather than ever pull a nasty sewage-filled toilet ever again.:no:
I agree with you bro... I only pull toliets if thats my last option. I would rather climb than pull a toliet filled with poo... That K-60 did a number on them:laughing:
 

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I almost always go on the roof. I don't think I've pulled a toilet in about a year. I'll go on a 2story house with no hesitation. It's not the height that gets you but the slope.
 

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Or losing a section of cable down the stack...:whistling2: Refer to my lost in sewer thread I posted awhile back.:laughing:
 

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I've actually got a piece of 2" pvc to put either a 45 or sweep on the end and reached out to stacks that I couldn't walk on the roof to get to. Snaked the drain and recommended they get a roofer. Also use it when the C/O is to deep to verify which direction my cable is running, and when running up or down mains from man holes.
 

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man! snakin from a roof vent???u guys are adventurous. lol. it werks im sure...but theres always opportunity under every old toilet...$$$$$$. you could pick up alot of extra work replacing or repairing broken flanges or replacing old pvc or 3/8 copper supply lines.
 

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man! snakin from a roof vent???u guys are adventurous. lol. it werks im sure...but theres always opportunity under every old toilet...$$$$$$. you could pick up alot of extra work replacing or repairing broken flanges or replacing old pvc or 3/8 copper supply lines.
If the toilet is leaking and needs to be pulled for a new seal, then so be it.
I like to hit the blockage from the roof also because I believe that I'm actually cleaning more drain this way. When the sewer is backed up, (I've seen this on video) "stuff" gets stuck all over the pipe like stalagtites, and stalagmites. For the money I charge, they deserve the most drain cleaned for the money. Once the sewer is clear, I will turn on the machine and check for the location of the sewer. At this time I may sell a C/O installed, so that there is a point of relief should the sewer back up again.:thumbsup:
 

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well thats very buisness like of you! but damn...how often do u have sewage going clear into a vent...lol
 

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If the toilet is leaking and needs to be pulled for a new seal, then so be it.
I like to hit the blockage from the roof also because I believe that I'm actually cleaning more drain this way. When the sewer is backed up, (I've seen this on video) "stuff" gets stuck all over the pipe like stalagtites, and stalagmites. For the money I charge, they deserve the most drain cleaned for the money. Once the sewer is clear, I will turn on the machine and check for the location of the sewer. At this time I may sell a C/O installed, so that there is a point of relief should the sewer back up again.:thumbsup:
Younger-Plumber is right on about the vent issue and the opertunity to fix unknown problems. Acctually by not going through the toilet you are missing the fixture branch for that toilet. I see that you charge well for doing your services, but ask youself this question, why would I pay you for a clean out when you are jonny on the spot to hoist all that nasty stuff up on the roof? Nothing like a scum slinging machine in the bathroom to justify the installation of a clean out outside (or in unfinished basment). Of course clean outs are only installed if the whole line replacement is not in the budjet.
 

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well thats very buisness like of you! but damn...how often do u have sewage going clear into a vent...lol
I've seen this happen quite a bit before. Often on grease stoppages where the grease collects in the vent and clings to the sidewall. After 1 or 2 stoppages, the vent is effectively closed off.

As far as not hitting the fixture branch, just shine a flashlight down the vent. See water? No clog in fixture branch. Pulling a toilet wouldn't be an advantage for me since I rarely see bad wax rings or flanges. How much could I feasibly charge for pulling and resetting a toilet? Going through the closet bend probably adds another 45 min to the job. Going through the roof is easier faster and I come out ahead price wise. I sell cleanouts by showing them how they're required by the ipc.
 

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Younger-Plumber is right on about the vent issue and the opertunity to fix unknown problems. Acctually by not going through the toilet you are missing the fixture branch for that toilet. I see that you charge well for doing your services, but ask youself this question, why would I pay you for a clean out when you are jonny on the spot to hoist all that nasty stuff up on the roof? Nothing like a scum slinging machine in the bathroom to justify the installation of a clean out outside (or in unfinished basment). Of course clean outs are only installed if the whole line replacement is not in the budjet.
I completely disagree. I have been pulling toilets my whole career. The reason I started this thread is that this is one of the FIRST times I ever tried the roof thing. It was awesome. Pulling a toilet is NOT ALWAYS better. It creates a mess, the seal is often fine so selling something the HO doesn't need is silly. I'll try to do roofs more often. I'll still sell cleanouts without pulling nasty toilets, thank you.
 

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I'll still sell cleanouts without pulling nasty toilets, thank you.
whoa whoa whoa! lol jk. things gettin heated! so im starting to see that this is deff a " whatever works for you" type deal. lol. things tend to be different in my area i guess! almost every toilet i pull lately has issues! lol.
 

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whoa whoa whoa! lol jk. things gettin heated! so im starting to see that this is deff a " whatever works for you" type deal. lol. things tend to be different in my area i guess! almost every toilet i pull lately has issues! lol.
3:00 am, main sewer stopped up, no clean outs. I am pounding the roof. To many variables in pulling a toilet that early in the morning. Supply house closed etc. Go to set the toilet back and you hear the porcelain crack. You just ate a toilet on a one hour sewer call.
 
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