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Even if PVC lasts longer who cares in new construction(Not that there's any available anyway) The builders, GC or plumber after 1 year are long gone their warrantee is up and even before hand most of them tell their customers to F-off if the plumbing breaks. That's where I come in, I fix it for a paycheck.

No one is going to take a loss on materials so they can install better quality, their cut enough corners already. Even the milillion dollar cookie cutter house has the same contractor faucets, toilets and stuff. Same pipe too!

Normally ABS should last a few hundred years... its just those -- once in a blue moon things--

They claim PVC will last something like 800 years exposed to the elements...
and buried underground they really dont have a test to determine its life span..
I heard the ABS had a life span just slightly less than PVC so who cares because
we are all gonna be dead long before the pipe wears out
 

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Normally ABS should last a few hundred years... its just those -- once in a blue moon things--

They claim PVC will last something like 800 years exposed to the elements...
and buried underground they really dont have a test to determine its life span..
I heard the ABS had a life span just slightly less than PVC so who cares because
we are all gonna be dead long before the pipe wears out

PVC is very brittle with pool water(Bromine) and even worse if you introduce the sun. I remember as a second year apprentice working at the casino, my mechanic constantly had to go to the fountains outside and the 2" stubs always broke off, some of them broke at the 6" that was custom bent in the form of the fountain.
 

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Back in the old days when I was plumbing in So. CA. We used solid ABS pipe and it was great, The time that I had to
replace the bad pipe that was one MFG, the went cheap on the batch materials, up to the late 90's when they came
out with the Cellular Core pipe I knew it was going to be trouble,
 

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PVC is very brittle with pool water(Bromine) and even worse if you introduce the sun. I remember as a second year apprentice working at the casino, my mechanic constantly had to go to the fountains outside and the 2" stubs always broke off, some of them broke at the 6" that was custom bent in the form of the fountain.
ABS won't stand up well to harsh chemicals either. PVC is used for labratory drains. When they need really good chemical resistance(at a reasonable cost) they use High Density PolyEthylene(Basically Pex).

If that fountain was made from ABS it would melt in half from the sun before it cracked. There's a reason the brand name's BOW!! Haha.

ABS is black because they add carbon for UV resistance. If you wan't UV protection use CPVC, that's why it's grey. When pvc will be in direct sunlight it should be painted.
 

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ABS, PVC, Clay, lead, galvanized, copper, pex blah blah blah.. nothing last forever, as a service plumber- bring it on, if all the piping installed over to last over 200 years lasted 200 years a lot of us wouldn’t be as busy as we are. We can install the “best” piping materials available but in the end it will all have to be replaced at some point in time.

I’m happy to repair/replace ABS or what ever piping material- which has any issue.

I replaced a cracked 2” ABS TY today due to a stress fracture(just like Tangos pics), start to finish I was there less than 1.5hr, there was a sticker on the pipe showing it was bought on June 06 of 2000. so it was prob installed with in a year or so of that sticker..
You can Rag on ABS all you want, say it’s a inferior plastic blah blah, but that jobs invoice was just over $700..
 

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.....We can install the “best” piping materials available but in the end it will all have to be replaced at some point in time.
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A couple years back I had to go to a biomass steam plant. The wood chip bins had water pooling in the bottom. The fill/suction pipes were leaking. They were less than 10 years old. Marine grade stainless, welded, x-rayed, bedded in neutral ph dead sand and all that jazz to ensure proper welds, no corosion.

I ran the camera, some of the welds has pinhole rust spots, some of the pinholes were in straight lengths of pipe. Ground water was coming in through the rust holes.
 

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Tanago what is an MJ coupling?
MJ, Mechanical Joint, rubber connector with a metal sleeve. He is likely referring to a no-hub connector or husky clamp, could also mean a proflex coupling.
 

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ABS is just a more fragile and much lighter made pipe compared to the PVC....
The ABS fittings are much lighter and they feel less durable than PVC...
its no wonder any stress on them will make them eventually get stress cracks....

so if you do this long enough sparkey, like I have, old buddy...
you can just feel the difference ---
this comes with experience
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No I was wondering why they don't use pvc in high rise Buildings,he said they only use the gray stuff in commercial and high rise Buildings

Markus I know why abs is crap,and why it cracks under stress,because it is cheap made crap
 

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No I was wondering why they don't use pvc in high rise Buildings,he said they only use the gray stuff in commercial and high rise Buildings

Markus I know why abs is crap,and why it cracks under stress,because it is cheap made crap
I know you know why, I was just twisting your tail......

on another note..... they outlawed ABS pipe here in indiana way back in the 70s because
they found that when it catches fire it goes up like kindling ....where as Pvc just smolders
 

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Stopped advertising on Yelp after one month Cost my $440.30 for the month and I only got one job for $160. I got some leads most customers did not respond to my estimate and a few said I will let you know. Still have the free add up with some pictures. Probably competing with other plumbers and tire kicker, and free estimate shoppers.
 

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Stopped advertising on Yelp after one month Cost my $440.30 for the month and I only got one job for $160. I got some leads most customers did not respond to my estimate and a few said I will let you know. Still have the free add up with some pictures. Probably competing with other plumbers and tire kicker, and free estimate shoppers.
I have been freeloading on Yelp for about 10 years now... I gave them money a long time ago
but like I stated I had to cancel my credit card to get the leeches from chargeing me...

I really like their photo album and I throw a lot of my water heater
and water softener installs onto the photo album and a I direct folks to
go look at the finished product .... It seems to sell the product very well for me
I think I got about 250 pictures on the site
 

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I have been freeloading on Yelp for about 10 years now... I gave them money a long time ago
but like I stated I had to cancel my credit card to get the leeches from chargeing me...

I really like their photo album and I throw a lot of my water heater
and water softener installs onto the photo album and a I direct folks to
go look at the finished product .... It seems to sell the product very well for me
I think I got about 250 pictures on the site
Thanks Mark I will try and post lots of pictures for free on Yelp and hope for more work from free advertisement
 
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