That's a good point,there is a lot of stress with the clock-watchers.Hourly is more stressful imo. At least with flat-rate they agree to pay BEFORE you work, with hourly they get the bill when you are done and then they want to argue.....no way jose. I have been doing flatrate for years, its much easier than hourly.
There are many programs out there to help...software. Upfrontprice.com is one of them. I started with upfrontprice.com's book and now I make my own simplified book based on my own pre-determined times and materials.so where does one find info on the flat rate deal? Is there a book value per fixture, say so much for water heater change outs, so much for unstopping a toilet, so much for unstopping a sink? Where does one find these rates at?
There are many programs out there to help...software. Upfrontprice.com is one of them. I started with upfrontprice.com's book and now I make my own simplified book based on my own pre-determined times and materials.
Its really quite simple. First you figure your hourly labor unit. You figure total billable hours per year, and you figure all the overhead expense of doing business and a reasonable profit margin. Divide your total needed gross income by the billable hours and you get your hourly labor unit.
Then each TASK (water heater, toilet, flapper, drain-clean, etc.) you assign an average time unit and figure your material costs.
TA-DAAA!! You have your flat-rate.
Its a lot of work to do it from scratch and that is why there are software programs out there that help, most companies use software to figure their flat-rate books.
Once you go flat-rate, you'll love how easy it is. I have done both ways and for me flat-rate is much better. Its easier to 'sell' your services, you don't have to disclose your hourly rate since the bill isn't based on the clock, and people argue less about the bill, since they have to sign for the price upfront. My customers are happy to get an upfront price. Its the best way to go imo.:cool2:
I can tell a stopped toilet from a stopped sewer pretty easily.I get that part, its no different than my other trade. BUT the time for each fixture unit. I have gon in and unstoped a toilet in one plunge, really, then there are those times that you start out at the toilet, no luck, move outside. Try to locate a clean out, but wait! There is none! Soo we get the probe and start probing the ground. Find water, find gas, find GI Joe action figure (badly burned:laughing, neighbors dead cat that they are still so franticly searching for, then 2 hours later, VOILA Sewer pipe! Dig pipe, cut hole, get sprayed with doo, wash off doo, snake out, then fix pipe, re bury dead cat along with sewer pipe. This one takes about 3 hours. So does this book actually have industry standarde based on real time and realistic scenarios that they base their expected time of repair on?
Please don't take this the wrong way, the reason this forum was opened up was to attract only licensed plumbers and special invites that that admin approves of, the rules were set by us and the admin on this site.My husband is the Master. Take that back, he's the Master Plumber. I have a general working knowledge of plumbing. I do the scheduling, so I ask a lot of questions on the front end. I know just enough to get into trouble sometimes. Whenever I don't know something, I always ask and research the answer so that next time I won't be stumped. Can I reset a wc? No. Do I know how to? Yes. We have had 'so called' plumbers work for us who don't know what I know.