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Old 08-01-2018, 11:22 PM   #21
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So it takes at least an hour and paper work to slide open 1 drop cieling tile.

You want crazy how about this. I'm working on an oil refinerie in Alberta where there were in excess if I remember correctly over 3000 pipe fitters and welders and they decided to tighten on accidents. We weren't allowed to use zip cuts anymore because someone got hurt. We were stuck with these 3/32 disks or something like that trying to cut 6",12" pipe. What a time consuming ordeal.

So one afternoon where we were making double time money on catwalks over 10 stories high to fit a vent with the 300 ton crane. The crew I was with had to cut a portion off. Well guess what the foreman got angry of time wasted and wanted zip cuts. He had to sign a paper then it had to be signed by his boss and someone like the top boss of the refinery. After several hours I got the necessary paperwork and went to the tool crib. I was handed 1 zip! Up to the 10 th floor. Obviously the elevator was not in use yet. The zip lasted a few minutes and I had to return to get a single replacement at a time. The big bosses were so pissed of all that stupid nonsense. The job that was supposed to take 2-3 hours took a 14 hour shift while the crane is costing over 1000$ an hour or something and a crew of 8 twiddling their thumbs trying to look busy so we didn't get fired...
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:54 AM   #22
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Zip cuts? What is?
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Zip cuts? What is?
I'm picturing some specialty cutoff wheel, but i'm not really sure.
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Those are the thinnest cut off grinder disks to cut metal, pipe etc.

https://www.walter.com/en_CA/product...cutting/zipcut
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This is the refinery in question, I circled close to where I was working. The front building was my room in the sleeping dorms.




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You want crazy how about this. I'm working on an oil refinerie in Alberta where there were in excess if I remember correctly over 3000 pipe fitters and welders and they decided to tighten on accidents. We weren't allowed to use zip cuts anymore because someone got hurt. We were stuck with these 3/32 disks or something like that trying to cut 6",12" pipe. What a time consuming ordeal.

So one afternoon where we were making double time money on catwalks over 10 stories high to fit a vent with the 300 ton crane. The crew I was with had to cut a portion off. Well guess what the foreman got angry of time wasted and wanted zip cuts. He had to sign a paper then it had to be signed by his boss and someone like the top boss of the refinery. After several hours I got the necessary paperwork and went to the tool crib. I was handed 1 zip! Up to the 10 th floor. Obviously the elevator was not in use yet. The zip lasted a few minutes and I had to return to get a single replacement at a time. The big bosses were so pissed of all that stupid nonsense. The job that was supposed to take 2-3 hours took a 14 hour shift while the crane is costing over 1000$ an hour or something and a crew of 8 twiddling their thumbs trying to look busy so we didn't get fired...
penny wise and dollar foolish are the bean counters sometimes..I dont do heights so good luck to you 10 stories up...
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I dont do heights so good luck to you 10 stories up...
I remember when I first started as an apprentice I was pretty much a stranger to a stepladder.

Now I find myself doing spiderman tricks on the top step of the 6 footers once in a while.

Still i'm with you... 10 stories? Eff that.
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I remember when I first started as an apprentice I was pretty much a stranger to a stepladder.

Now I find myself doing spiderman tricks on the top step of the 6 footers once in a while.

Still i'm with you... 10 stories? Eff that.
No worries, lots of scaffolding and catwalks where you work, the guys who erect them are always on the brink though.

I did scare the hell out of a welder one time and me too over there at night around 2:30 am. He wanted me to put the boom lift basket against the structure so he could weld the channel. We were about 45 feet in the air. The hydraulics settled during the weld and when I started the lift engine the basket was jammed, I tried and tried to go gently until it kicked in and the basket dislodged and we must of dropped 5 or 6 feet downwards very quickly like a ball bouncing off a wall and swayed back and forth. He refused to go up a lift until the lay off.
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I remember when I first started as an apprentice I was pretty much a stranger to a stepladder.

Now I find myself doing spiderman tricks on the top step of the 6 footers once in a while.

Still i'm with you... 10 stories? Eff that.
my limit now is about 10 to 15 ft on a ladder if that.....when younger I would go higher but always didnt like heights....
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I worked at the casino for a year as a 2nd year apprentice doing plumbing maintenance full time. There weren't many valves to shut down the line and fix a faucet for example. It was a nightmare, my mechanic would swear up and down searching for nights 1,2, 3! (we were working nights) to find a valve. Renting a scissor lift up to the ceiling 40 feet in the air, looking in dead space shafts using gang planks to try and access a valve hoping its the right one and usually it wasn't it. Many times we'd put a bucket in the ceiling tied with wire to catch the drip so they could use the black jack table during the day because we wouldn't have time to drain the system and repair.

Last summer at a hospital, the guy that does maintenance assured the plumber I know (just recently finished his 4th year apprenticeship) the water was shut off. He proceeded to cut a 4" copper water main with a sawzall. Flooded 3 floors, shut down surgery and several rooms. Several millions in damages. A year after that I worked for that same company, the plumber left to work with another company. What a stupid boss owner(Another story and my last boss ever!!)

What I'm saying do it on the fly and watch the millions go out the window and you may go to jail because of criminal negligence. Your reputation as a dumba$$ will follow you for life.

when it comes to my insurance and or reputation, I trust no one but myself to make sure the water, gas , electric or anything is shut down and I want to actually see where the shut offs are in case I need to run for them...otherwise no work starts..period end of conversation..
Fully agreed !
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