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Old 07-28-2020, 09:26 PM   #11
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It's kind of gotten beyond planned obsolescence. They are actively working to make it more difficult to fix the products. I would characterize planned obsolescence as making the products less durable.


The next step is cutting out third party parts manufacturers.






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In Europe it is mandatory that goods can be repaired and parts available. There's some brewing in the province to have the same law but I doubt anything will come out of it.
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It's kind of gotten beyond planned obsolescence. They are actively working to make it more difficult to fix the products. I would characterize planned obsolescence as making the products less durable.


The next step is cutting out third party parts manufacturers.






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negative grass hopper......planned obsolescence is just that....if you cant find parts...then you have to replace...but if you need parts that fast then the faucet had a PO date and time...it failed and needed repair that parts could not be found and faucet was now replaced....very simple concept....auto makers only have to keep replacement parts available for 10 years for each make car,,and thats if it didnt change to a shorter time since I looked it up..
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In Europe it is mandatory that goods can be repaired and parts available. There's some brewing in the province to have the same law but I doubt anything will come out of it.



There are several reasons why we need to stop being a throw away society. fixing things is very important. It's also good for the brain. Everyone needs real hobbies. I've realised the people I find the least desirable are those who have folded into "social" media. The kind of people who have no hobbies, no career, no driving passion. Work is solely a means of paying the bills. All of their free time is absorbed by screens.


https://repair.org/stand-up


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Delta would of course get it back when you return it (or they will see all the returns credited) and in my dreams they will learn....what a pos they came up with.
BTW, watch out with the newer Moens. the top cap assembly often works loose or is loose from the factory.

Best practice is to take handle off along with the top shroud, and tighten the brass top cap. Call back city!
Got to warn customer: If you want Delta or Moen, expect that you will be paying for call backs and charged NO MATTER WHAT.
Or buy a Grohe, Hansgrohe, Kohler maybe Am.Std?
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Delta would of course get it back when you return it (or they will see all the returns credited) and in my dreams they will learn....what a pos they came up with.
BTW, watch out with the newer Moens. the top cap assembly often works loose or is loose from the factory.

Best practice is to take handle off along with the top shroud, and tighten the brass top cap. Call back city!
Got to warn customer: If you want Delta or Moen, expect that you will be paying for call backs and charged NO MATTER WHAT.
Or buy a Grohe, Hansgrohe, Kohler maybe Am.Std?
I haven't had any issues the moen caps(Adler and Manor/Chateau), do you remove the handle and check when putting a new one in?
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I haven't had any issues the moen caps(Adler and Manor/Chateau), do you remove the handle and check when putting a new one in?
https://www.plumbingzone.com/f7/moen...-faucet-70050/
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I remember that thread, now that you mention it.
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Delfa (mispronounced) is now officially a junk brand to me. It used to be good, just as good a Moen but now it's worse than the no name brands direct from China. I was reading about those super stiff flex lines and if you shortened them like they showed in their instruction some would pull off and flood the place. Well I got one today from a customer. Couldn't bend the lines properly. The woman calls me 2 hours later saying the faucet was loose and a metal piece fell out.

I went back and the plastic shank broke off, they don't even care of using brass or white metal! I knew when I took it out of the box it was cheap but this is cherry.

I didn't charge to go back and take it out but I'll charge to put a new one in this friday.

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Not unlike the automobile industry. You need a machine with the proper software (and training on that proprietary software)to tune a car up.
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The town I work in has hundreds of delta 400 kit faucets from the 80s and 90s still holding strong. A new delta kit with a brass ball and cups and springs and they are good for another 7 years or so. I wish they still made them like that.

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