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Old 03-30-2019, 11:08 PM   #11
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I won't answer your question because it isn't a straight forward question. Just ask would we buy a stair stepper. Whether or not they want a cheap price is in my opinion irrelevant to the choice of killing your back, hiring a helper, or spending a ton on a stair stepper.

Would I buy a stair stepper? Yeah if I had a ton of homes where a regular hand truck wouldn't work, but I am a big guy and a 60gallon is no issue for me unless there is a really narrow staircase or a landing then quick turn, etc...

It seems like the real crux of the issues is you are worried that your profit margin is too low to justify new equipment. If that is the case than raise your prices or accept the amount of profit you are making. You can't get blood out of a stone. You can't feed a crowd from one fish. You can't make more money appear by wishing.



Would I bother installing water heaters for those who want me to compete with hack work prices? Probably not, but that wouldn't really be my call as I would go flat rate assuming I have to do all the code compliant stuff like expansion tank, vacuum breaker, work permit, di-electric unions, pan and drain, etc... They would be the ones deciding for me if they call. If I show up and they have some of that already I would give them a cut on the price. But if they call, I say it's x amount because I have to be code compliant and if they don't say yes right then than either my prices are too high or they just want it hacked in.










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Old 03-30-2019, 11:16 PM   #12
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Dont you You live in Quebec canada,,,,,??
so why dont you take a vacation and go across the border and
buy one for 2300 US somewhere in New york and then drive it home???
Would you save enough to make it worth your time??

if you buy one you will more motivated to advertise for doing that specific
job with the intent to pay it off quicker.......



I found one on E-bay in buffalo new york for 1500 used...
https://www.ebay.com/i/293001139524?chn=ps

mine paid for itself in the first week but I install a buttload of waterheaters
you got to use it to make it affordable......


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Dont you You live in Quebec canada,,,,,??
so why dont you take a vacation and go across the border and
buy one for 2300 US somewhere in New york and then drive it home???
Would you save enough to make it worth your time??

if you buy one you will more motivated to advertise for doing that specific
job with the intent to pay it off quicker.......



I found one on E-bay in buffalo new york for 1500 used...
https://www.ebay.com/i/293001139524?chn=ps

mine paid for itself in the first week but I install a buttload of waterheaters
you got to use it to make it affordable......


Mark I think you haven't read my last PM or the last couple of them. The link you sent me is the link I sent you a couple days ago. I contacted the guy I wanted to buy it full price and he came back he would check it out. It's been 3 days since. It's one of those sellers that are lazy. I'm thinking to click on buy it now and force him to ship it. I just don't know he could put a crazy shipping price. Then I'd have to dispute it or not pay and have a strike on my account. Or or maybe he'd cancel the transaction.

Sure I'd pick it up at the across the border to save a few dollars.
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Dont you You live in Quebec canada,,,,,??
so why dont you take a vacation and go across the border and
buy one for 2300 US somewhere in New york and then drive it home???
Would you save enough to make it worth your time??

if you buy one you will more motivated to advertise for doing that specific
job with the intent to pay it off quicker.......



I found one on E-bay in buffalo new york for 1500 used...
https://www.ebay.com/i/293001139524?chn=ps

mine paid for itself in the first week but I install a buttload of waterheaters
you got to use it to make it affordable......


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I won't answer your question because it isn't a straight forward question. Just ask would we buy a stair stepper. Whether or not they want a cheap price is in my opinion irrelevant to the choice of killing your back, hiring a helper, or spending a ton on a stair stepper.

Would I buy a stair stepper? Yeah if I had a ton of homes where a regular hand truck wouldn't work, but I am a big guy and a 60gallon is no issue for me unless there is a really narrow staircase or a landing then quick turn, etc...

It seems like the real crux of the issues is you are worried that your profit margin is too low to justify new equipment. If that is the case than raise your prices or accept the amount of profit you are making. You can't get blood out of a stone. You can't feed a crowd from one fish. You can't make more money appear by wishing.



Would I bother installing water heaters for those who want me to compete with hack work prices? Probably not, but that wouldn't really be my call as I would go flat rate assuming I have to do all the code compliant stuff like expansion tank, vacuum breaker, work permit, di-electric unions, pan and drain, etc... They would be the ones deciding for me if they call. If I show up and they have some of that already I would give them a cut on the price. But if they call, I say it's x amount because I have to be code compliant and if they don't say yes right then than either my prices are too high or they just want it hacked in.










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Mark I think you haven't read my last PM or the last couple of them. The link you sent me is the link I sent you a couple days ago. I contacted the guy I wanted to buy it full price and he came back 2 days after he would check it out. It's been 3 days since his last reply. It's one of those sellers that's lazy.

Sure I'd pick it up at the across the border to save a few dollars depending if it's free shipping within the US. It would cost me around 3600$ CAD all included. I'd need to make a curtain for the window for the tailgate for the trip home.



If It'd be installing water heaters regularly I'd have my answer whether or not to buy one full retail price. Based on the callers for 40 gallons which I accept on occasion most callers don't care about being up to code, they want it cheap. They need a phone price on the spot, they don't mess around they use up the rolodex.

My profit on installing water heaters is good, I don't cut rates. The issue is that will this thing sit unused like a 3800$ paperweight. Most are price shopping just like they shop prices when their single toilet is clogged.

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sorry, I did not get the link to e-bay.... never saw it...

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Mark I think you haven't read my last PM or the last couple of them. The link you sent me is the link I sent you a couple days ago. I contacted the guy I wanted to buy it full price and he came back he would check it out. It's been 3 days since. It's one of those sellers that are lazy. I'm thinking to click on buy it now and force him to ship it. I just don't know he could put a crazy shipping price. Then I'd have to dispute it or not pay and have a strike on my account. Or or maybe he'd cancel the transaction.

Sure I'd pick it up at the across the border to save a few dollars.

Tango if you look at that ebay add it says" LOCAL PICKUP ONLY"..and for that money id want to see it work before paying for it, you need to contact the seller and set up a time to look at it and buy if its as advertised ..it would be a few hundred to ship that to canada, too much trouble for an ebay seller...
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Tango if you look at that ebay add it says" LOCAL PICKUP ONLY"..and for that money id want to see it work before paying for it, you need to contact the seller and set up a time to look at it and buy if its as advertised ..it would be a few hundred to ship that to canada, too much trouble for an ebay seller...
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On my screen it doesn't say local pick up. I know it's better to see it in person but it would be 2 day journey with a hotel.
I just sent the guy a message to ship it to the border and I'd go pick it up. UPS states around 155$ for shipping. If it wasn't for the exchange rate I'd buy it new.

But anyway I found 2 authorized dealers "nearby" in Canada, I'll give them a call tomorrow.
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I bought a Lectro-Truck at a trade show in Philly in about 1975-1980. Talking about these stair climbers water heaters seem to be mentioned a lot. How about the other uses. Boilers out of basements heavy loads up into a truck, cast iron baths up the framing in new construction when the stairs are only temporary. Same for fiber glass modules! Many uses not described, many times -- more problem getting the lift to job than doing the lift. Mine saved my back too many times to mention. Are there any cautions ... yes the biggest is weight. You have the weight of the lift, the weight of the load, the weight of the operator {may be 2}. Totaled the stairs may not hold. I always had 3 or four 2x4's and a couple pairs of hefty C-clamps along to use and used they were. I think I paid about 2 grand for it new, when I went out I sold it for 800 used. Not bad for a 30 - 35 year tool!
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I looked at the unit and even the aluminum is spankey clean on it.
I don think you will have any issues with it unless it has been submerged in water or something like that.... It looks like the battery still has the original factory bolts and clamps on it and has near to new...

its very clean and has not been used much at all and with the accessories I see on it , with the folding out legs and larger platform on it, it is probably worth closer to 2900 new... more or less...

if you dont get it , please let me know and I am gonna place a bid on it...

It would not be the first mistake I have made on e-bay
I got a perfectly good wilson lift gate sitting in my scrap yard that I bought on here for 900 bucks and have never used yet.....the thing weighs about 2500 lbs and has not moved an inch in 3 years since the day it was delivered.... Of course the truck I was gonna put it on fell through --- and the guy who brought it from Missouri was glad to dump it on me on his way to chicago....
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I bought a Lectro-Truck at a trade show in Philly in about 1975-1980. Talking about these stair climbers water heaters seem to be mentioned a lot. How about the other uses. Boilers out of basements heavy loads up into a truck, cast iron baths up the framing in new construction when the stairs are only temporary. Same for fiber glass modules! Many uses not described, many times -- more problem getting the lift to job than doing the lift. Mine saved my back too many times to mention. Are there any cautions ... yes the biggest is weight. You have the weight of the lift, the weight of the load, the weight of the operator {may be 2}. Totaled the stairs may not hold. I always had 3 or four 2x4's and a couple pairs of hefty C-clamps along to use and used they were. I think I paid about 2 grand for it new, when I went out I sold it for 800 used. Not bad for a 30 - 35 year tool!


You got your moneys worth, and Their are many uses for that tool....
Customers are very impressed when they see that stair cat go up an down their stairs.... lots of times they look at me and wonder how I am doing this job all by myself., like where is your helper??
..... I promised one guy he could borrow it some time this spring or summer to move a gun safe out of his basement when he sells the house..
I feel if you tackle anything over about 600 lbs, you better have back up with you....
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