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Old 08-03-2018, 02:45 PM   #101
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most Americans are stupid enough or afraid enough not to ask for a discount or money off what they are buying..
It's not stupidity or fear. It's a matter of respect. Seller of product or service show you common respect by not trying to take advantage of stupid or scared people by pricing according to what it's worth to him. By not haggling over a price a customer show the seller the common respect not to assume he was trying to rip the customer off and if the customer does not agree on what the product or service is worth to him then he simply does not waste anyone's time and moves on.

Mutual respect is the key to any good relationship or society.
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:43 PM   #102
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It's not stupidity or fear. It's a matter of respect. Seller of product or service show you common respect by not trying to take advantage of stupid or scared people by pricing according to what it's worth to him. By not haggling over a price a customer show the seller the common respect not to assume he was trying to rip the customer off and if the customer does not agree on what the product or service is worth to him then he simply does not waste anyone's time and moves on.

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I sorta disagree, everything in life is negotiable....did you ever buy a new car and pay sticker, a new house and pay asking price, goto a garage sale and pay whats listed etc..and work from the trades is just the same, just look at Trump renegotiating all the contracts or deals prior people have made for a better end on the USA, I dont look at haggling or a better word if you want..negotiate for a better price or deal a bad thing, I do it all the time and get better prices or deals..its the American way..if your gona be in business your going to negotiate, when you goto the supply house with a big order you dont ask for the best price? ever?
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:54 PM   #103
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On the way back from my drain cleaning job this morning I drove to the place where the fridge line broke. I saw the man, he went in and got the balance of cash and said thank you for your services.



A good ending on this one.




@The Dane : As true as can be, well said!



I have a regular black man customer who haggles all the time. I always start a little higher and we get both what we want. I give him a super low price to install and remove his window AC twice a year. I charge almost full price when his toilet clogs. 2x already. After I'm done he walks to the gas station and I meet him there to pick up my pay. He's a good man.


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Old 08-03-2018, 04:37 PM   #104
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Shtrns: have you ever asked for a better price on fast food? What about at a real restaurant? Starbucks? Ever ask a doctor for a special rate for an x-ray? Not everything is negotiable, however any business is free to negotiate if they wish. Many do not. In America its mostly take it or leave it - when businesses don’t sell enough for their budget goals, that’s when they see that the marketplace has determined that their goods or services are not worth their asking price, but as far as I know the value of a particular good or service is determined by what people are willing to pay for it - once it is not profitable to produce a good or service, then it no longer makes sense for the business to participate in that market. I think the thing a lot of people here get upset about is when a customer thinks a part cost and whatever labor (at minimum wage or just over) is involved in installing it = what they should pay. Obviously this is laughable.
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Mini story time...

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I'm at HD waiting for the clerk to fishish up his current customer. A couple are trying to figure out what kind of drain pipe they need while giving gestures and showing him pictures on the guy's phone.

The clerk sees me and says hey! this guy is a plumber and right away I have a phone shoved my way and I see a waste pipe for vanities. The couple didn't see it coming one bit and I say "Ahh yes that is an ikea drain pipe, you can hire me Iím a plumbing contractor but I donít give out free advice".

He asks yeah but I just want to know what that thing is thatís sticking out. I replied do you want to make an appointment? They stared at me doe eyed for a few seconds and the clerk defeated said ok I understand. The couple without any further clue just left.

I had a chat with the clerk to explain why it wasn't wise to be free...


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Yesterday at another store I saw someone who had brought a big chunk of glued pvc and fitting for his pool and was fishing for answers. They don't sell that kind of pipe there!! I should record this stuff its so damn funny.


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Lastly yesterday afternoon this guy calls me asking if I sell parts, I say like what? Well I hive this thing of 3" by maybe I don't know 2" which connects to something of 4" inches. I said stop! What are you talking about your'e not making any sense? "well it's for my boat"....
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Shtrns: have you ever asked for a better price on fast food? What about at a real restaurant? Starbucks? Ever ask a doctor for a special rate for an x-ray? Not everything is negotiable,

I've written this before but the immigrants in my city try to haggle the cashier at Home depot.
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Old 08-03-2018, 05:19 PM   #107
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Shtrns: have you ever asked for a better price on fast food? What about at a real restaurant? Starbucks? Ever ask a doctor for a special rate for an x-ray? Not everything is negotiable, however any business is free to negotiate if they wish. Many do not. In America its mostly take it or leave it - when businesses donít sell enough for their budget goals, thatís when they see that the marketplace has determined that their goods or services are not worth their asking price, but as far as I know the value of a particular good or service is determined by what people are willing to pay for it - once it is not profitable to produce a good or service, then it no longer makes sense for the business to participate in that market. I think the thing a lot of people here get upset about is when a customer thinks a part cost and whatever labor (at minimum wage or just over) is involved in installing it = what they should pay. Obviously this is laughable.

actually it is all negotiable...including doctors..have you ever seen your insurance payments for medical services? the doctor bills for $1000.00 and the insurance pays $700.00 and the doctor takes it as payment in full, its done all the time, as far as eating out, you can choose to eat any place you want a 5 star burger place in NYC and pay $60.00 plus for a burger or the local burger place for $10.00, thats a choice you make and what to pay, and negotiating prices has nothing to do with staying profitable..you make more money with volume and making a good profit than making a killing on only a few jobs..its all how you look at it..nothing is written in stone...if I go shopping at home depot I accept paying that price, but if i can buy it much cheaper online then I do it and home depot loses my business, but home depot does negotiate, bring in a cheaper price from another store and they claim they will beat it..
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Well that’s kinda my point - some will, some won’t - it’s up to the proprietor- I’ve never had a dr willing to bargain - probably because I’ve never tried because thank god I’ve never had to go for anything more than like the flu or a pulled muscle that I thought might have been worse than what it was - some plumbers feel that they already give a great price and someone trying to haggle an already great price is an ignorant ass - I don’t blame them.
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if I go shopping at home depot I accept paying that price, but if i can buy it much cheaper online then I do it and home depot loses my business, but home depot does negotiate, bring in a cheaper price from another store and they claim they will beat it..
That is not negotiating. That is giving their customers a promise before they even set foot in the store. A promise to stay competitive in the market place so they can hold on to their customers. Not standing at the register back and forth trying to agree on a products value.

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That is not negotiating. That is giving their customers a promise before they even set foot in the store. A promise to stay competitive in the market place so they can hold on to their customers. Not standing at the register back and forth trying to agree on a products value.

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correct, but their prices are not always the cheapest, its a marketing gimmick that makes people think they are getting the best price and I bet 95% of homedepot shoppers dont compare prices anywhere else...some negotiations are person to person , some are not like the insures shorting the drs bill, im not saying i personally challenge the dr for a cheaper bill as its all covered by insurance, and the insurance company negotiates, if I was paying out of pocket for medical you bet your butt I would be wheeling and dealing for a better price, I have done it at my dentist and will do it anyplace I can..why not? nothing to lose on my part for trying, except a few people may get butt hurt for me asking..too bad...any money in my pocket is better than theirs, and thats why I dont get pissed when customers try it with me..and thats marketing too, if a customer asked for a best price or better deal and I tell them I will do it just for them as a special and they go with the job, I win, as the cost reduction or added work was already figured into my price..
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