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Old 04-12-2019, 02:59 PM   #21
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Taking notes for Inspector 101.

How about spray painting the cpvc copper color then flooding the crawl space.


If an inspector doesn't have sense to read the manufactures approved installation instructions, they don't need to be doing the job.


I have a lot of useless info floating around in my head, you start with basic codes then if not specified READ. That is if the contractor didn't hide the install instructions.
That seems like a sensible approach, I don't know what some of our inspectors are thinking on some of the stuff they come up with.

The one that comes to mind first is a Tankless I helped on, the inspector dinged us for 1/8 of an inch too close to the joist (12in is code, we were 11 7/8), and the recirc line needed insulated. Crawl space piping isn't required to be insulated for freezing, but there is a Dept of Energy code stating recirc lines need to be.

Even the homeowner was getting frustrated with the inspector because of all the silly stuff.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:38 PM   #22
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You can bet if we ever have over zealous inspectors like that guys are going to retaliate. Many crazies and bikers working construction.
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I just don't understand the end game of the inspectors. I mean, we pull permits because we want to do things right, and cover our butts, and the customers butts for insurance purposes.

The guys buying heaters at the big box or supply house and doing hack work with no licence or inspection are the ones that are hurting people. Why not crack down on them??
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I just don't understand the end game of the inspectors. I mean, we pull permits because we want to do things right, and cover our butts, and the customers butts for insurance purposes.

The guys buying heaters at the big box or supply house and doing hack work with no licence or inspection are the ones that are hurting people. Why not crack down on them??
Some want to be superior, some are on a power trip, some want to justify their job. If they don't catch anything there is no use for them. Look busy on paper.

That aside :

It's harder to prove a hack with evidence in court. It's a lot easier to fine someone who provides a legit receipt. Then 60% of people think it's no big deal to hire a hack without a receipt. I've been asked by a federal tax man to install a basement bathroom cash under the table. Some businesses and many home owners will only pay cash.

BUT they will throw you under the bus in a split second!
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Don’t get me wrong, we have some really good inspectors that we deal with outside of our largest local city. When we have a big job where following modern code can’t really be followed we meet with the inspector and throw the ball into his court and ask “what do you want to see?”. When dealing with 100+ y/o buildings sometimes plumbing to code with the existing plumbing or structure just isn’t possible without gasoline and a match.
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If they sell heaters in the hardware stores, they are being installed every
day without permits.........

Several years ago in Kentucky they started to get back at people doing that. The Home Depots there would ask for a permit number if you bought a water heater. Not in that area anymore so not sure if it is still a thing.
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That seems like a sensible approach, I don't know what some of our inspectors are thinking on some of the stuff they come up with.

The one that comes to mind first is a Tankless I helped on, the inspector dinged us for 1/8 of an inch too close to the joist (12in is code, we were 11 7/8), and the recirc line needed insulated. Crawl space piping isn't required to be insulated for freezing, but there is a Dept of Energy code stating recirc lines need to be.

Even the homeowner was getting frustrated with the inspector because of all the silly stuff.



Screwing you over an 1/8" is stupid. But you should have insulated those pipes when you were in there the first time. I believe hot/recirc should always be insulated, other wise the recirc is even more wasteful.








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I met one homeowner who bought his own mini split kit. He was so pissed when the supply house wouldn't sell him gas or manifolds and was giving him the run around on any question he asked.








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I met one homeowner who bought his own mini split kit. He was so pissed when the supply house wouldn't sell him gas or manifolds and was giving him the run around on any question he asked.








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That's because they are responsible for anything he does. We were well warned in contractor school never to give out advice because we would be 100% responsible for everything.

Someone asks if there 2nd floor balcony is safe and you say yes. It falls off or the person fall off then you will pay all medical bills till the end of time, a new balcony plus recompense and whatever else.

You tell the homeowner how to install gas pipe you are responsible. Even here supply houses do not sell oil or gas fittings. I couldn't even get them for myself even if I showed my trade certificate.
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Update. Had a couple inspections yesterday with inspector B and asked him about this issue. Apparently there’s a code in the mechanical code book that’s not in the plumbing code book. Because of the size of the chimney, 8x12 I think he said, it is oversized for the btu’s of the furnace and heater. Somehow the 4/3” vent fcks with the math and needs to be a 4” not tapered down to 3”.

I’m not a HVAC tech, understand very little of the trade and code. In plumbing and drain cleaning, there are many codes I agree with, but some I think are totally unnecessary and only there for permit revenue.
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