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Old 04-11-2019, 08:35 AM   #11
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That's what it is here, plumbing contractors are supposed to send in 22$ for a water heater. The home owner doesn't need to. I'd be surprised if any company sends that money in.

The ascociation has been asking the ministry to remove that fee for a while. The elected had promised they would remove it but didn't.

22 dollars is CHEAP but the time spent kissing up to those inspectors could be unlimited..

If they sell heaters in the hardware stores, they are being installed every
day without permits.........

in our town there is a loophole in the law that says if you replace a 40 with another 40 then their is no need to get a permit.... if you upgrade to a 50 or 75 then you need a permit.....

but no one gets a permit for an upgrade either and actually does it....




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Old 04-11-2019, 08:42 AM   #12
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22 dollars is CHEAP but the time spent kissing up to those inspectors could be unlimited..

If they sell heaters in the hardware stores, they are being installed every
day without permits.........

in our town there is a loophole in the law that says if you replace a 40 with another 40 then their is no need to get a permit.... if you upgrade to a 50 or 75 then you need a permit.....

but no one gets a permit for an upgrade either and actually does it....




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Over here it you replace lets say a toilet, sink, faucet no fees. But if you move the toilet pipe 6 inches then you should send in 22$ for the first item and 11$ for each other fixture that you move away from the original location. That too I'd be surprised how many actually send in the money.

Heck GCs most times don't hire plumbing contractors in renos so that means they never send in any money for that. What a mess.
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The draft hood comes with the W/H from the mfg. and it will fit either 3" or 4". I don't install a lot, but I've seen this on all the recent installs that I've done. Is that what he's picking on?
Yep. I’ve never seen any different hood.
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Yep. I’ve never seen any different hood.

I have a 50 gallon high out put water heater that has a 4 inch only damper and a standard 50 gallon water heater with a 3 or 4 inch damper...so not all the same, code here for minimum flue is 4 inch from a water heater...
if your having issues with an inspector( many are clueless and not licensed plumbers) you need to educate the fat heads..call the manufacture and explain the issue and have them send you a letter stating their water heater with that size damper meets local code, or see a rep in the supply house to get some paper work on that, otherwise the inspector will keep playing the game of he knows better..some do many dont...
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Send this line link to the inspector and he’ll probably sign you off
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I have seen 4in only vent hoods. Installed one today in fact. BUT, they are only seen on Apollo type heaters with side loops, because they use more BTUs, and are rated for higher performance.

All others I have seen are 3 or 4 combo hood.

Many inspectors around here ding us for ridiculous things just to try to get the re inspection fee. We will call them on it if needed.

We stopped inspecting heaters in Durham county because they are so backed up with inspections that they were purposefully failing us for silly stuff just to "get back" at us for the workload.

Since that sort of thing only hurts the homeowner and their time. We made the decision to have the owner (licence holder) face time the installs. As long as it is like for like (for us, this means same fuel type, and vent configuration) no inspection is necessary.

Permits and inspections are privatized in some counties here, so there is a real drive for getting that re inspection fee since it's a for profit company.

It's a BS game they are playing with customers.
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I have seen 4in only vent hoods. Installed one today in fact. BUT, they are only seen on Apollo type heaters with side loops, because they use more BTUs, and are rated for higher performance.

All others I have seen are 3 or 4 combo hood.

Many inspectors around here ding us for ridiculous things just to try to get the re inspection fee. We will call them on it if needed.

We stopped inspecting heaters in Durham county because they are so backed up with inspections that they were purposefully failing us for silly stuff just to "get back" at us for the workload.

Since that sort of thing only hurts the homeowner and their time. We made the decision to have the owner (licence holder) face time the installs. As long as it is like for like (for us, this means same fuel type, and vent configuration) no inspection is necessary.

Permits and inspections are privatized in some counties here, so there is a real drive for getting that re inspection fee since it's a for profit company.

It's a BS game they are playing with customers.

One trick you always play on an inspector is forget a j hook or tallan. They got something! Run out to the truck and fix it.

Always schedule your inspection just before lunch or at the end of the day.
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One trick you always play on an inspector is forget a j hook or tallan. They got something! Run out to the truck and fix it.

Always schedule your inspection just before lunch or at the end of the day.
We aren't there at the time of inspection. I have seen a couple times a guy will go out to meet the inspector on a complicated job. But by and large, we tell the office girl that the job is ready to be inspected, then she tells the authority, and they work it out with the convenience of the customer.
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We’re just a two man shop, and no office girl. With as much as our phones ring it’s amazing we get any work done.
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One trick you always play on an inspector is forget a j hook or tallan. They got something! Run out to the truck and fix it.

Always schedule your inspection just before lunch or at the end of the day.
Taking notes for Inspector 101.

How about spray painting the cpvc copper color then flooding the crawl space.


If an inspector doesn't have sense to read the manufactures approved installation instructions, they don't need to be doing the job.


I have a lot of useless info floating around in my head, you start with basic codes then if not specified READ. That is if the contractor didn't hide the install instructions.
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