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Old 10-14-2019, 03:57 PM   #21
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I have thought about putting a lift on the back...although my van is getting old, I may wait until the next truck... It has the U haul ramp that works OK


14' works ok for me, I can stock every thing I need for 95% of the time, rarely have to run to get something, the size of the truck depends on what works for you as discussed many times here on the zone


I would like a 16', I've worked out of a few before, even an 18' back about 25 years ago or so, never had that many problems parking such a big rig, mostly in old neighborhoods in Minneapolis and St.Paul where there is hardly room to park a compact car, and parking lots where I park in the back and have to walk, I could use the exercise


Yes $58k is a lot for a truck, I say never say never, but I probably won't buy a new one


A guy can pipe dream



I've priced out new E450's they are in the 40k range... once I wear the one I have now out I will probably just buy another used U haul

You need to just look on e-bay for a decent priced truck...
Their are presently a lot of nice trucks on e-bay that I would jump at if I needed a truck....

This blue one has me drooling ........if you want a 12 footer with a lift gate...

I think it will go for about 15k

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Ford-E...53.m2763.l2648


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Old 10-18-2019, 09:24 PM   #22
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This is what I had to deal with this afternoon, My van was protruding in someone's driveway. The whole street was like this and like I said some places have only about 4 feet in between driveways. Misery if I'd had to park 4 streets over, wtf do you do then? I can't imagine having a cube van in many places I go.

Some guy came back from work and wasn't happy but fortunately I was in the van writing the bill.


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Old 10-19-2019, 04:03 PM   #23
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That’s the same truck I spec’d out in Canada. Was going to be 89,000$ here
Are you refering to a cube truck or KUV? I went to 2x GM dealer and they didn't know what a KUV was. They told me to go have it custom made by a welding shop. I wasn't impressed at all.
I found it’s hard to find a dealership that wants to deal with commercial trucks. I went to one ford dealership and had an issue. I told the guy what I wanted 16’ knaphied service box on a f-450 4x4 chassis. He said no I only work with one body building shop you go see them design the box then I give them a chassis you write them a cheque and finance chassis through me.
I told him well thanks for the 3 minutes of your time but you obviously don’t want to deal. Then I went to a small mom and pop ford dealership handed him the same information here’s what I want get me a price. He had a price and timeline but had a cube van come in on trade which I ended up buying. I’ve since purchased 3 trucks from him, the cube, a new pickup and now a cheap beater dump truck.
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Old 10-31-2019, 12:14 AM   #24
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you need to just look on e-bay for a decent priced truck...
Their are presently a lot of nice trucks on e-bay that i would jump at if i needed a truck....

This blue one has me drooling ........if you want a 12 footer with a lift gate...

I think it will go for about 15k

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-ford-e...53.m2763.l2648


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Didn't know work trucks were sold on Ebay motors, thanks for the tip MasterMark.


That's a pretty blue truck there, says Plumbing all over it..also seen it sold, $17000



I'm not sure about buying trucks from out of state, I like to look at it, drive it etc in person before I buy...too many times I seen something in pictures that looked good, said in the ad ran great, got out there and it was a POS


I suppose I could take a chance and drive or fly out there and if I don't like it back out of the deal.
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Old 10-31-2019, 12:19 AM   #25
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Their is no way in hell I am gonna cough up 58k for a new truck...


Maybe you won't, but I see many other plumbers that do...I see many expensive looking new trucks driving around the Minneapolis St.Paul metro area and pulling into the wholesaler while I'm there.
I get the impression from you that you don't spend big money on vehicles, I know quite a few plumbers where their work vehicles is a piece of junk barely making it to the jobs but at home they have a brand new Silverado pickup with all the options $60,000 sitting in the driveway
I think that's ridiculous, the vehicle that makes you the money should be your best one, at least equal to your personal vehicle
I have worked in the past for several shops where the owner had brand new truck for himself, wife drives a new Escalade while us plumbers worked out of 15 - 20 year old junk- Too many times I'd be broke down on the side of the road, couldn't even get to the job- and the boss wouldn't even come get me in his new truck. Once I even worked for a shop where not only the boss had a new pickup for himself but a shiny new plumbing truck as well with all new tools with not even a scratch on them. None of us plumbers were allowed to use it, and it moved so infrequently that cobwebs would form between the ground and the truck.
One of the reasons I won't work for anyone anymore.
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Old 10-31-2019, 12:26 AM   #26
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This is what I had to deal with this afternoon, My van was protruding in someone's driveway. The whole street was like this and like I said some places have only about 4 feet in between driveways. Misery if I'd had to park 4 streets over, wtf do you do then? I can't imagine having a cube van in many places I go.

Some guy came back from work and wasn't happy but fortunately I was in the van writing the bill.


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Most of the time isn't a problem parking my big truck, and have drove bigger. you get used to it and you get creative
Plus I can use the exercise in walking once in a while, I don't quite have the same shape as I was when I was a younger man
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Most of the time isn't a problem parking my big truck, and have drove bigger. you get used to it and you get creative
Plus I can use the exercise in walking once in a while, I don't quite have the same shape as I was when I was a younger man
Some people get ticked off when I park on the street right in front of their house because they pay 10 seconds for me to walk there to get stuff. I bet if I were to park a street over the drama I'd get and people refusing to pay the bill.
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I buy only new trucks for both business and personal..I look for the best price for what I want and buy it, almost 99% of the time you can get 0% or very close to it and spread the payments over 5 years and now for a slightly higher interest rate up to 7 or even 8 years..I figure im going to take care of it and it will last at least 15 years of reliable transportation, my 2003 chevy 3500 is what I use now and it still has low miles on it, but contractors I work for have the same truck with over 200,000 miles on them still going strong...
I just think if you buy used you dont know what your getting and many cases some one elses troubles....
a new truck comes off your taxes, gets depreciated and is the first image of your company to a customer...
I also know people that only buy used trucks and most have had good luck with them..so it comes down to that risk reward equation that seems to creep into everything we do..
even a new truck can be a lemon, but along with that aggravation you have the lemon law on your side to make good so you dont have to keep the truck...and financially you are compensated, with a used truck your on your own...
it also comes down to if your making the money to pay for a new truck at this time..so any truck is better than no truck, but a truck that gets you to work and not break down or need constant work all the time is not what you want either, after how many canceled jobs because truck breaks and people that give up on you because of it will take a toll on your business...
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I agree have a good looking work vehicle to show up at your customer's home, unlike some of the companies I have worked for before, where the truck barely made it out of the shop parking lot...


So are you saying buying a new truck and making payments is a better deal tax wise than just buying an older truck and paying in full if you have the money? Even though I have a 13 year old truck, my accountant still can depreciate it... Many financial advisors will tell you buying a vehicle couple years old is a much better deal than buying new... let someone else take the hit on those first couple years depreciation... Now if it does work out better with the taxes to buy new then yes I can see your point, I would much rather drive a better truck than give my money to the government...And to your point about an older truck breaking down you are right, that down time is a killer...
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I agree have a good looking work vehicle to show up at your customer's home, unlike some of the companies I have worked for before, where the truck barely made it out of the shop parking lot...


So are you saying buying a new truck and making payments is a better deal tax wise than just buying an older truck and paying in full if you have the money? Even though I have a 13 year old truck, my accountant still can depreciate it... Many financial advisors will tell you buying a vehicle couple years old is a much better deal than buying new... let someone else take the hit on those first couple years depreciation... Now if it does work out better with the taxes to buy new then yes I can see your point, I would much rather drive a better truck than give my money to the government...And to your point about an older truck breaking down you are right, that down time is a killer...



I look at it this way aside from any tax advantages...
A brand new vehicle is or should give you x amount of problem free years and if any thing breaks the first 3 years its under warranty...
but if you buy a used truck you are gambling its not going to have a major repair soon and thats why the owner god rid of it..
now either on of those have exceptions for good and bad..
but I rather be the first owner on an expensive purchase like that...if its a few thousand for an old work truck around the farm , your lose if it blows is just a few grand, but you lay out 30k or more for a used truck??? it goes back to the risk reward...and what its worth to you..
if saving 20k by buying a used truck is the deal maker and your secure with it then go ahead...to me 20k spread over 15 years that means a brand new truck or a used truck, I rather go new...
because if that new truck give you problems your down and out till fixed, most new truck dealers will have a loaner truck for you, no the best but a benefit, and you can negotiate that at the new purchase, that if the truck goes down they will supply a loaner..
and that big hit you talk about from buying a new truck comes off your taxes, so its not as big anymore...
you would have to ask your accountant for your state, which has better tax advantages...
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