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Old 03-28-2016, 09:51 PM   #1
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I never recommend or encourage tankless water heaters. They seem to not last and have much more headaches.

Should I be more open minded?
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Yes, if they want the luxury of forever hot water why deny them, they work well and have good warranties

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In the right situation using a quality tankless is fine but more often than not tankless water heaters are being installed with the false notion that it's going to save money. In reality they usually cost more over their lifespan than a tank. Like any water heater you want to size it correctly for the application.
When I have a customer that wants a tankless I always ask why? The most common response is to save money. After I look over their situation, needs and wants I'll give them several options with all the pros and cons and let them decide.

For example let's say I have a weekend cabin on the lake, not a lot of room for a tank water heater and I take 40 minute showers. I only use the cabin on weekends. The water is taken from the lake. A tankless is actually the better choice here for several reasons one being endless hot water another being much safer not having a tank full of stagnant water full of bacteria. Since water comes from Lake you would want to test and treat water before it enters tankless to prolong it's life. Even though it's more expensive than a tank it's still the better option and it's not being installed to save money but rather give the customer what they want.
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I would say tankless or more on the luxury side for continuous hot water and space savings, if sized properly..in the long run do you save any money..maybe..you have to add the original cost of the unit and what it cost to operate compared to a tank cost and operational costs...every situation should be looked at and decided which one will work best for the person it is being installed for..
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My opinion is you become more open minded. If for no other reason than this. This younger generation that are starting to buy homes have grown up on nothing but technology and computers. I am finding that these young people are seeing water heaters with mother boards in them, so they can relate....and they want it...at whatever cost....regardless of our recommendations.
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They do require more maintenance as in the flushing process. Since there is no tank to let the sediment sit. There is also the minimum required flow on some models.
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We install many tankless annually. Customers love them, profit margins are better, rarely any call backs, high performance products, what's not to like? I have a tank less in my house and love it. Come home sore from a hard day's work and I stand under my scorching hot 2 head shower as long as I want to.
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I never recommend or encourage tankless water heaters. They seem to not last and have much more headaches.

Should I be more open minded?
Pat, We've installed more than 125 Tankless water heaters in the past 7 years and have not had one call back for a failure. (we stick to one manufacturer and refuse to install some others)
Most important is the proper gas size, venting and installation location. If done correctly, you should never experience a problem.
We also provide service and repair to other Tankless units and most of the time the issue is related to poor or inproper installation.
Consumers do have a short learning curve because Tankless water heating has it's quirks, like "cold pockets". California home owners sometimes shut off their water during their shower, in the interest of saving water, and this causes a "cold pocket".
Knowing the product your installing and teaching your customer what they might experience, will eliminate any operating issues you or your customer might come across.

I personally love Tankless but agree that there are situations where it just doesn't make sense over a tank type.
The life expectancy of a tank water heater is 8-10 years and a Tankless should give twice that.
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Pat, We've installed more than 125 Tankless water heaters in the past 7 years and have not had one call back for a failure. (we stick to one manufacturer and refuse to install some others)
Most important is the proper gas size, venting and installation location. If done correctly, you should never experience a problem.
We also provide service and repair to other Tankless units and most of the time the issue is related to poor or inproper installation.
Consumers do have a short learning curve because Tankless water heating has it's quirks, like "cold pockets". California home owners sometimes shut off their water during their shower, in the interest of saving water, and this causes a "cold pocket".
Knowing the product your installing and teaching your customer what they might experience, will eliminate any operating issues you or your customer might come across.

I personally love Tankless but agree that there are situations where it just doesn't make sense over a tank type.
The life expectancy of a tank water heater is 8-10 years and a Tankless should give twice that.

So very well said. Every sentence is spot on in the tankless installation business. Stick to a quality brand and stay there.

Too bad Eternal went out of business. Their design was a hybrid with a small storage tank wrapped around the heat exchanger; NO cold water sandwich.
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eternals were bad ass when they worked, but were indeed ****. but give them credit, they were created n designed by a bbq manufacterer. not a bad run.

nowadays, rinnai, navien and ao smith are very nice units. navien has the best customer service hands down next to a.o. noritz is really up and coming with thier stuff especially being able to adapt to old flue
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