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The Plumbers Daughter

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#1 ·
Hello Gentlemen,

I am inheriting a plumbing company here in Central Florida. We do a decent business but there is so much room for improvement. I sometimes feel like I am stuck in the stone age.....

Anyway I joined this site for some forward thinking plumbing advice.

Cheri
 
#34 ·
MDgirl400 said:
I suppose your right. I'm going to sign off and forget this site, its much like others I've seen. Too many people who with only half facts interjecting an opinion that seems to come from their lack of substance.
Leaving because no one told you what you wanted to hear...

Good riddance!

GO AWAY!

:laughing:
 
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#42 ·
I just reread your first 4 posts to this thread.

Childish histrionics aside, you have no business being here.

By your own admission you aren't a Plumber.

You're basically a Secretary and a Bookkeeper who had the good fortune to step into a position that was vacated when your Poppa retired.
 
#40 ·
Widdershins said:
Probably a wise decision.

If you can't get along with one of the sites least offensive members, let alone take a little constructive criticism, then you really have no business being here.

Seriously; If you're offended enough by the Dark Prince to pull the 'stamp your lil' foot' and threaten to leave in a huff bit, then you wouldn't last a nano second with some of us hardliners. Hardliners aren't going to take too kindly to your histrionics.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!

(written in all caps to show raw emotion..)

:laughing:
 
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MDgirl400 said:
you are a union worker and have no concept of what i am even talking about! you show up and get a check, regardless of how much you produce! you will never face the challenges Ive delt with in the last month much less the last 29 years!

GO AWAY!
I was trying to be nice in your other thread about hourly guys milking the clock. Took a nap earlier and woke up on the wrong side of the couch...

Like my fellow Canadian brother I am a Union worker. To say that we just show up and get a check is blasphemy. You have no idea how it is to be union or even work in the field. You sound to me like you have been spooned fed with a golden spoon your whole life.

I hope you do leave.

If you don't shut the fook up until you have tested the waters a bit.
 
#47 ·
Wow!! 100k per month is that gross sales? If so what's your net? I would love to check out your P&L..I have to admit I wouldn't want to be that big..I'm just happy to pay myself every month at this point..

Welcome to the zone!!
 
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#50 ·
What the hell is with all the "incentives"?

What happened to having pride in yourself and your work?
Incentives give me a reason to have pride in my work... :yes:

If my work had no value why should I have pride in it? :whistling2:
 
#56 ·
Redwood said:
Incentives give me a reason to have pride in my work... :yes:

If my work had no value why should I have pride in it? :whistling2:
I guess I am confused on why it has no value.

Your getting payed for the service you provide from a skill set that you have acquired and perfected over the years. In your case it's commission which works well for you and others

Hourly works well for me. Value to me is the way I perform the task. From the way I handle customers to the way I pick up behind myself. I feel like I am compensated for that in my pay. Which is higher than most in my area.
 
#59 ·
Value to me is the way I perform the task. From the way I handle customers to the way I pick up behind myself. I feel like I am compensated for that in my pay. Which is higher than most in my area.
Zackly! :thumbup:
 
#62 ·
Redwood said:
Incentives give me a reason to have pride in my work... :yes:

If my work had no value why should I have pride in it? :whistling2:
Incentive?!? No value?!?

My work has value because I f-ing say it does!

Don't give me this **** about "I do a better job because I get paid more that way"

You sound like OS's retarded apprentice who said "if you pay me more, I'll work harder and do better"

Do you actually believe the **** you type?

Cmon Red, don't insult me, and every other hard working plumber on this site that "happens" to work hourly...
 
#70 ·
Nope!

Would you do it for free? :laughing:

I didn't think so!:no:

You do it for money so all you are is a whore! :whistling2:

The difference is are you a cheap whore or, an expensive one? :rolleyes:

There is a difference in quality between the two....:yes:
 
#63 ·
I will jump in this one . . . would you expect otherwise? :rolleyes:

In all fairness, she was characterized as sleazy before she even had a chance to explain herself. Her question about motivating some of her employees is a legitimate one. How many on PZ have complained about employees and are glad they don't have them anymore?

If you are doing $100,000.00/mo., you need employees. When you have that much on the line, you need to watch the labor hours and compare production.

Plumberman - With all due respect, you are a rare breed. I don't jump through hoops for money and work to the best of my ability. When someone is paying me for a service, I live up to expectations. I take pride in a job well done. Certainly you must have seen other plumbers who do not have the same work ethic as you do? I don't think she was referring to all. Apparently she has had some that are content to sit on the clock and take advantage of a guaranteed paycheck. The union comment was as uncalled for as the sleazy comment which precede it.

666 - :no: And I had such high hopes for you. ;) You jumped a bit too quick IMO. Perhaps if you tried to see it from an owner's eyes, you would understand. Owners get characterized as being greedy and not doing enough for their employees . . . just like Union workers get characterized for being lazy. Neither is fair. Callbacks are very expensive to a company. It is much more than just the hourly rate the plumber is being paid that is lost. If she didn't watch the dollars closely, she would face consequences.
They are doing $100,000./mo. - what you or no one else on PZ knows is what her expenses are. They could be $110,000.00/mo. At that rate, she should be cutting expenses. It's natural to look at the labor in a service business, which in most cases is 70% of sales. She owes at least that to her performers. A callback that takes an hour of time costs us close to $200.00, even though the plumber's hour may have cost $20.00. Multiply that by several plumbers and you are definitely cutting into the bottom line. (Remember, the hour doing the callback becomes an unsold hour.)

There are employees who look at that $100,000./mo. number and assume the owner is getting rich. They start to believe they are worth more without knowing the other side of the equation.

Everyone else - we all know PZ can be rough. Does it have to be this way?
 
#65 ·
I will jump in this one . . . would you expect otherwise? :rolleyes:

In all fairness, she was characterized as sleazy before she even had a chance to explain herself. Her question about motivating some of her employees is a legitimate one. How many on PZ have complained about employees and are glad they don't have them anymore?

If you are doing $100,000.00/mo., you need employees. When you have that much on the line, you need to watch the labor hours and compare production.

Plumberman - With all due respect, you are a rare breed. I don't jump through hoops for money and work to the best of my ability. When someone is paying me for a service, I live up to expectations. I take pride in a job well done. Certainly you must have seen other plumbers who do not have the same work ethic as you do? I don't think she was referring to all. Apparently she has had some that are content to sit on the clock and take advantage of a guaranteed paycheck. The union comment was as uncalled for as the sleazy comment which precede it.

666 - :no: And I had such high hopes for you. ;) You jumped a bit too quick IMO. Perhaps if you tried to see it from an owner's eyes, you would understand. Owners get characterized as being greedy and not doing enough for their employees . . . just like Union workers get characterized for being lazy. Neither is fair. Callbacks are very expensive to a company. It is much more than just the hourly rate the plumber is being paid that is lost. If she didn't watch the dollars closely, she would face consequences.
They are doing $100,000./mo. - what you or no one else on PZ knows is what her expenses are. They could be $110,000.00/mo. At that rate, she should be cutting expenses. It's natural to look at the labor in a service business, which in most cases is 70% of sales. She owes at least that to her performers. A callback that takes an hour of time costs us close to $200.00, even though the plumber's hour may have cost $20.00. Multiply that by several plumbers and you are definitely cutting into the bottom line. (Remember, the hour doing the callback becomes an unsold hour.)

There are employees who look at that $100,000./mo. number and assume the owner is getting rich. They start to believe they are worth more without knowing the other side of the equation.

Everyone else - we all know PZ can be rough. Does it have to be this way?
What are you trying to do bring her back :no:, she sounds a little like pcplumber.:yes: I love how it is, not everyone is going to agree with each other . but some ppl can't take it if everyone is not in agreement with them so they leave the forum.:laughing::cry:
 
#64 ·
pride/prīd/
Noun: A feeling of pleasure from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Verb: Be especially proud of a particular quality or skill

:thumbup:
 
#66 ·
Plumbcrazy

I mentioned I worked with guys that dodge the clock (may have been in the other thread) but their days are numbered, so I do see that point of view.

Which brings me to the next one...

The union comment I made was meant to educate how it works being organized down here. If you milk the clock, you get to sit on the sidelines and find another job or travel out of town. I have seen guys make it one full week before being laid off.

It's dog eat dog and if you don't produce where I am you will be kicking cans down the road with a broke arse...

I was in no way claiming to be superior to anyone. I give my all so I can put bread on my families table, and spend money on whatever I please. Lol
 
#69 ·
PlumbCrazy said:
I will jump in this one . . . would you expect otherwise? :rolleyes:

In all fairness, she was characterized as sleazy before she even had a chance to explain herself. Her question about motivating some of her employees is a legitimate one. How many on PZ have complained about employees and are glad they don't have them anymore?

If you are doing $100,000.00/mo., you need employees. When you have that much on the line, you need to watch the labor hours and compare production.

Plumberman - With all due respect, you are a rare breed. I don't jump through hoops for money and work to the best of my ability. When someone is paying me for a service, I live up to expectations. I take pride in a job well done. Certainly you must have seen other plumbers who do not have the same work ethic as you do? I don't think she was referring to all. Apparently she has had some that are content to sit on the clock and take advantage of a guaranteed paycheck. The union comment was as uncalled for as the sleazy comment which precede it.

666 - :no: And I had such high hopes for you. ;) You jumped a bit too quick IMO. Perhaps if you tried to see it from an owner's eyes, you would understand. Owners get characterized as being greedy and not doing enough for their employees . . . just like Union workers get characterized for being lazy. Neither is fair. Callbacks are very expensive to a company. It is much more than just the hourly rate the plumber is being paid that is lost. If she didn't watch the dollars closely, she would face consequences.
They are doing $100,000./mo. - what you or no one else on PZ knows is what her expenses are. They could be $110,000.00/mo. At that rate, she should be cutting expenses. It's natural to look at the labor in a service business, which in most cases is 70% of sales. She owes at least that to her performers. A callback that takes an hour of time costs us close to $200.00, even though the plumber's hour may have cost $20.00. Multiply that by several plumbers and you are definitely cutting into the bottom line. (Remember, the hour doing the callback becomes an unsold hour.)

There are employees who look at that $100,000./mo. number and assume the owner is getting rich. They start to believe they are worth more without knowing the other side of the equation.

Everyone else - we all know PZ can be rough. Does it have to be this way?
She can have the best intentions in the world. She may be struggling, she may be a millionaire.

None of that is relevant. I don't (and never will) agree with a plumber being sent to a job, for which he is not compensated.

I have made mistakes, hell I've made a couple doozies! It's worrisome to know that if I worked anywhere other than where I do, I wouldn't stand a chance.

IMHO, daddy was stepping out of the picture, and she was going to "show everyone how a business SHOULD be run..." bullshiot!

Sending people out to work for free is illegal, cut and dry.

I told her that and she attacked. I made a couple of jokes, she went anti-union.

I owe her no apology.
 
#73 ·
She can have the best intentions in the world. She may be struggling, she may be a millionaire.

None of that is relevant. I don't (and never will) agree with a plumber being sent to a job, for which he is not compensated.

I have made mistakes, hell I've made a couple doozies! It's worrisome to know that if I worked anywhere other than where I do, I wouldn't stand a chance.

IMHO, daddy was stepping out of the picture, and she was going to "show everyone how a business SHOULD be run..." bullshiot!

Sending people out to work for free is illegal, cut and dry.

I told her that and she attacked. I made a couple of jokes, she went anti-union.

I owe her no apology.
you said it "if I worked anywhere other than where I do I wouldnt stand a chance."
and if you had a clue about labor laws you would know its not illegal to pay commission and none on a call back. your Union would NOT allow it but the free enterprise system that we call the USA does. Someone tried to explain to you a few posts back but you didnt see the writing on the wall while your head was up your ...
 
#74 ·
Patdaplumber said:
you said it "if I worked anywhere other than where I do I wouldnt stand a chance."
and if you had a clue about labor laws you would know its not illegal to pay commission and none on a call back. your Union would NOT allow it but the free enterprise system that we call the USA does. Someone tried to explain to you a few posts back but you didnt see the writing on the wall while your head was up your ...
Pat, how about posting an intro before you jump head first into this...
 
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