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Old 09-17-2019, 08:56 PM   #11
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What? Like the fact that I hate the "something smells rotten in Denmark" I know where it's from but I think I just got triggered. ok I couldn't keep a straight face for long.

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This is where I'm lost about your comment. My post was about the original poster getting into a dispute with his father. That may be the reason he's not getting any help from his dad on quotes.

Not sure if it made you angry or happy???
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:50 PM   #12
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This is where I'm lost about your comment. My post was about the original poster getting into a dispute with his father. That may be the reason he's not getting any help from his dad on quotes.



Not sure if it made you angry or happy???
I know you were writing to the OP. It was a bad attempt at humor since I'm from Denmark.

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Old 09-17-2019, 10:21 PM   #13
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What? Like the fact that I hate the "something smells rotten in Denmark" I know where it's from but I think I just got triggered. ok I couldn't keep a straight face for long.

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that has no reference to you personally..LOL..I just remembered your from there..Denmark
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that has no reference to you personally..LOL..I just remembered your from there..Denmark
What's the joke about? A bad batch of double salted licorice!
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What's the joke about? A bad batch of double salted licorice!
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ok you have been working in the field, cant you see what your father is billing? invoices, paid bills? if your taking over the business why wont your father go over this stuff with you for the transition? something smells rotten in denmark.....you think your father would be happy your going to keep the business going and would help you out...
is he making money? must be if hes still in business...???

I know this game and had to live it for quite a while........ your old man probably wants slave labor and would rather keep you in the dark as long as possible.........
even if he is losing his ass, and not making any money on new construction, he is still the boss and lives for being the captain of the ship until the day he dies.. he gets off on being the boss and money is just not important..
You are like someone who is trying to cause a mutiny on board the ship. questioning his authority....

I can tell you for one thing you wont make any money dong new homes because its just a rat race trying to be the lowest bidder.... the same thing with commercial work.....

I suggest that you just bid the jobs high and see what happens..... cause trying to be the lowest bidder means you are willing to be the contractors punk bitc/..

THE ONLY REAL MONEY IS IN SERVICE WORK--- everything else is just smoke and mirrors --- you already KNOW this or you would not be here trying to find your way in the dark......

You need to sit down with your dad and have a long conversation about what the future is going to bring ..... So are you going to buy the business from him or is he just going to sell it out from under you one day and leave you standing there with your dick in your hand wondering what you are gonna do next????....

The sooner you do this the better off you will be and if your dad does not respect you for manning up and growing a pair then you know what your future looks like....






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I know this game and had to live it for quite a while........ your old man probably wants slave labor and would rather keep you in the dark as long as possible.........
even if he is losing his ass, and not making any money on new construction, he is still the boss and lives for being the captain of the ship until the day he dies.. he gets off on being the boss and money is just not important..
You are like someone who is trying to cause a mutiny on board the ship. questioning his authority....

I can tell you for one thing you wont make any money dong new homes because its just a rat race trying to be the lowest bidder.... the same thing with commercial work.....

I suggest that you just bid the jobs high and see what happens..... cause trying to be the lowest bidder means you are willing to be the contractors punk bitc/..

THE ONLY REAL MONEY IS IN SERVICE WORK--- everything else is just smoke and mirrors --- you already KNOW this or you would not be here trying to find your way in the dark......

You need to sit down with your dad and have a long conversation about what the future is going to bring ..... So are you going to buy the business from him or is he just going to sell it out from under you one day and leave you standing there with your dick in your hand wondering what you are gonna do next????....

The sooner you do this the better off you will be and if your dad does not respect you for manning up and growing a pair then you know what your future looks like....









sorry mark but I have to disagree that service work is the only money maker...you can make good money in every area of plumbing.. you have to learn how...service work is easy to make money as no job is the same so comparing prices is not easy....
but there is good money to be made in new construction and commercial...I would say it may be different regionally, but if your a smart owner you can and will make money..if not please explain all the companies in business for decades doing just that work....
to be fair I watched one of my old bosses( he was an a$$hole) go from 4+ crews doing new houses down to himself and a helper when new construction dried up, but that was his own fault as he pissed off all the contractors he use to do other work for and when he went back to them looking for work they told him to fuk off...but that was elf inflicted..if he kept them in the loop he would still be doing good today maybe, his spending habits were big and he over paid for materials...
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sorry mark but I have to disagree that service work is the only money maker...you can make good money in every area of plumbing.. you have to learn how...service work is easy to make money as no job is the same so comparing prices is not easy....
but there is good money to be made in new construction and commercial...I would say it may be different regionally, but if your a smart owner you can and will make money..if not please explain all the companies in business for decades doing just that work....
to be fair I watched one of my old bosses( he was an a$$hole) go from 4+ crews doing new houses down to himself and a helper when new construction dried up, but that was his own fault as he pissed off all the contractors he use to do other work for and when he went back to them looking for work they told him to fuk off...but that was elf inflicted..if he kept them in the loop he would still be doing good today maybe, his spending habits were big and he over paid for materials...


Perhaps I should have explained myself more clearly...

basically you are correct ...... you can make money in all feilds of plumbing,,, and everyone finds their notch that they do best within...

This is more of an observation due to doing most everything over the past 40+ years.....I am just saying the easiest money with the less employee hassles and less overall stress and the fastest turnaround is the service work..... Probably the second best is drain cleaning...

after these, then all the other areas are just ----dog eat dog

This fellow supposedly has been doing the work for 11 years and does not have any clue as to what kind of money they make or what to bid a home for....
If his dad died tomorrow and he landed in charge of the business , then he would be way up shi/ creek without any idea what to do...

New construction --its all smoke and mirrors and every house is different with labor and materials and difficulty involved.....

I am sure that somewhere out their someone has devised a majic formula to figure out or ballpark the amount of fittings and labor time per bathroom and then hope that it falls into the price range the evil builder wants to pay for the work.... somewhere .....


so whatever works for you, works just great for me too


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