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Old 04-07-2020, 06:20 PM   #31
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Where did I bash Chinese made products mate? I never mentioned anything about quality. I did indicate that Milwaukee are charging top dollar for a product made off shore.

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Yeh I thought as much. $3900 for a Chinese made drain machine.



I used to work in manufacturing, prototyping and incoming quality control. Don't bash chinese made products because of where they came. Being made in china doesn't have an effect on quality. It is up to the importer/distributor to make proper specifications and to perform quality control.


Do you think that milwaukee or any other brand is mistakenly selling crap? No, they make the prints, they order it, and they know exactly what they are selling. Don't bame china. Blame yourself and those around you for accepting subpar crap. For not paying the premium that good tools deserve.


When we start buying quality, american made tools en masse then the chinese imports will dwindle, right after hell freezes over.










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Old 04-07-2020, 06:33 PM   #32
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Where did I bash Chinese made products mate? I never mentioned anything about quality. I did indicate that Milwaukee are charging top dollar for a product made off shore.





I didn't say you bashed them. What are we to infer from you mentioning the price and where it was made? I took it as a conversation starter about chinese made tools.



How do you know that is top dollar? What are you comparing it too?








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Old 04-07-2020, 06:52 PM   #33
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Why does it matter where it's made? If the quality is good and the price point is right then buy what you like. If I think a tool is too expensive the last thing I consider is the country of origin.

I have several knipex pliers. Not made in the USA and I don't care. They're better quality than the USA made Ridgids or channellocks I also own.

There are different quality standards, for some brands, for things made in China. I would put up my Ridgid and Milwaukee power tools against any comparable USA made tool. Heck, I've got several harbor freight corded tools that I've been beating on for over a decade and spent less than $20 on.

What I've found funny lately is the DeWalt tool line. They have an "assembled in the USA" sticker on the box. There are plenty of morons who take that to mean it's made here too. What they don't realize is that the parts used to assemble them probably came from China. My friend bought into that and has had a drill replaced 3 times in the short time he's owned it.
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Its not because its made in china the quality is bad but rather those who releases a product choose the quality they are after and tell the factory we want a product of this low price so the factory uses cheap parts.

If they want a good quality product the factory will oblige too for a price.
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Everyone who is so quick to dismiss cordless tools as "gutless" needs remediary lessons on electronics. You can configure batteries to levels that would blow any breaker. These batteries are also the same basic technology for years. 18650 LiOn cells with some control circuitry to keep things safe. If you are really so worried about running out of power I imagine it would be relatively easy to power something like this with your laptop battery supply. I'm not suggesting you should do that, but take a look at the power brick... 18-19 volts, 60-180 watts I'm willing to bet? Very similar to top output of a single milwaukee battery.
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Everyone who is so quick to dismiss cordless tools as "gutless" needs remediary lessons on electronics. You can configure batteries to levels that would blow any breaker. These batteries are also the same basic technology for years. 18650 LiOn cells with some control circuitry to keep things safe. If you are really so worried about running out of power I imagine it would be relatively easy to power something like this with your laptop battery supply. I'm not suggesting you should do that, but take a look at the power brick... 18-19 volts, 60-180 watts I'm willing to bet? Very similar to top output of a single milwaukee battery.



First, I don;t think anyone here is dismissing cordless tools as gutless. I run all cordless stuff and my only gripe is the quality of the actual tool. The batteries perform superbly well. Even old ni-cd packs are pretty punchy.




Second, no, laptop batteries are made from very different cells. Yes, both laptops and power tools use 18650 sized, lithium based chemistries, but the similarities stop there. The chemicals inside the cells are very different as is the construction.


Laptop and other slow drain batteries use high amperage, low surge cells. Power tools use the opposite, lots of surge current at the sacrifice of run time. Just like the difference between marine deep cycle and starter batteries, you can't have both long runtime and high current from the same cell.



The only time you'll see "high capacity" cells is in makita's 4,5, and 6ah batteries which suffer from durability problems. I have more than 8 of the 4ah batteries and once you go balls deep with a sawzall on one it's a wet noodle from then on. Makita has yet to offer a triple stack battery pack like milwaukee or dewalt and I think it's a huge mistake. I may be switching to dewalt when my tools need replacing.








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Drain Spotter channel on YouTube did a review of a loaner unit. He declared it useless for his work.

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I watched the video he seemed like a competent drain cleaner and gave a fair review of the M18 sectional machine. I would not buy one myself too expensive and I have a lot of sectional machines. So if it was too far from an electrical outlet I would invest in a small inverter generator like the ones at Harbor Freight. Than I would either use my K60sp or K1500.
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