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Old 07-22-2019, 10:37 PM   #31
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I realize now that I allowed some so called friends to take advantage of me. I will be more firm and stand my ground when a friend or church member etc. asks for plumbing. Work has been a little slow lately so I am grateful for the work.
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Old 07-23-2019, 08:22 PM   #32
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I realize now that I allowed some so called friends to take advantage of me. I will be more firm and stand my ground when a friend or church member etc. asks for plumbing. Work has been a little slow lately so I am grateful for the work.



Plumbing is one of those things that most people won't understand. And I say won't because they choose not to. They could if they wanted but they don't. Because they don't understand it and have never picked up a wrench in their lives they have no concept of how difficult it is to do. They will put plumbing on this pedestal next to mountain climbing and skate boarding as if it is some skill which requires talent and tons of time to learn but at the same time they think they shouldn't pay you for your time invested.


Computer work is kind of the same way, you need to know a lot that most people don't mostly because they refuse to.



I used to do a lot of different handyman stuff. Mostly for little old ladies whose husbands had died and they needed the lawn mowed, algae cleaned off the house, stuff painted, leaves raked. Occasionally I would do some simple carpentry or fix a plumbing leak.



Out of all the odd jobs I did fixing computers was the one I had the most experience with but came to HATE. I grew up using computers and we always had pretty new models until I got old enough to want my own. I scavenged old parts and made my own slowly replacing the old parts with new as I could afford them. Occasionally I would take an old pc, wipe it clean, and sell it with a monitor, keyboard, mouse, for like 60-100$.


I would put linux on them(like a free version of macintosh) so that their grandkids couldnt get viruses trying to download **** or free music or whatever. I would spend an hour or two with them explaining how to use it and they loved it. Most old people would just read stuff online or send emails.


The problems would arise when their grandkids would convince them to let them install windows(unsuccessfully) on it or they would want me to fix other windows computers I hadn't sold them. I once spent 3 hours removing **** and viruses from a computer the 16 year old grandson used for like an hour.


I would tell them up front my rate was x an hour, usually around 20$/hr depending on how much of a pita they were. Mind you the pc shop in town offered 100$ to wipe viruses but would inevitably upsell you a bunch of crap you didn't need. I would fix it right in front of them in their home instead of them having to unplug their rats nest and bring it into town. These old phuckers who were praising me when I showed up for being motivated unlike the other teenagers in town would start whining about how they should have just bought another computer or had me wipe it and reformat it like I had offered in the beginning and want to pay me less.




Long story short most people suck and don't want to pay and will use any excuse or manipulation to pay less.








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Long story short most people suck and don't want to pay and will use any excuse or manipulation to pay less.


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Plumbing is one of those things that most people won't understand. And I say won't because they choose not to. They could if they wanted but they don't. Because they don't understand it and have never picked up a wrench in their lives they have no concept of how difficult it is to do. They will put plumbing on this pedestal next to mountain climbing and skate boarding as if it is some skill which requires talent and tons of time to learn but at the same time they think they shouldn't pay you for your time invested.

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I have a lot of people calling me thinking the opposite and I mean a lot of my callers think it's easy and some say it's just a pipe. For that reason they think it should cost less than a happy meal.

What I'd like to know for real is how they think, what they think and how much a plumber is worth. They have no concept of well being until they flood or have a sewer backup. In a few ways I already know, they have a very narrow field of knowledge and I see the majority of people will never pursue to learn anything useful. Their focus are rudimentary acts of doing nothing in life and watching celebrities fake & distorted "reality" shows.
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To be honest, I haven’t read this entire thread.

I’ve bartered labor for items, cabin rental, charged for material and cost.

I have a really good friend a few blocks away who just bought his house. He has been an incredible mentor in brewing, wine, cider and mead making. Sunday morning I replaced his disposal kit. Tried to charge him parts only, he gave me double, two bottles of mead, and came to help out an inexperienced brewer with his brew bay, and help me figure out my efficiency on my new system.

So far I’ve replaced a hose bib and disposal kit. I was given twice in parts, two bottles of KBS, two bottles of mead, and an unending wealth of knowledge.

Family gets a discount, close neighbors, who will invite my kid over for half the day and feed him dinner get cost.

I’ve never locked my cube, front or back.

I guess small’ish communities in Michigan, and good neighbors are different than most.

The handle from my garage door into my house broke a week ago. So it’s been unlocked since.
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To be honest, I haven’t read this entire thread.

I’ve bartered labor for items, cabin rental, charged for material and cost.

I have a really good friend a few blocks away who just bought his house. He has been an incredible mentor in brewing, wine, cider and mead making. Sunday morning I replaced his disposal kit. Tried to charge him parts only, he gave me double, two bottles of mead, and came to help out an inexperienced brewer with his brew bay, and help me figure out my efficiency on my new system.

So far I’ve replaced a hose bib and disposal kit. I was given twice in parts, two bottles of KBS, two bottles of mead, and an unending wealth of knowledge.

Family gets a discount, close neighbors, who will invite my kid over for half the day and feed him dinner get cost.

I’ve never locked my cube, front or back.

I guess small’ish communities in Michigan, and good neighbors are different than most.

The handle from my garage door into my house broke a week ago. So it’s been unlocked since.
I heard "mead" now where is the party? I used to buy mine back in Denmark from a guy who started his own little brewery just for quality mead. Much better stuff than what at the time was available that had the alcohol percentage spiked instead of letting it take it's time to naturally get there. It has been a while since I last had some mead that was worth sacrificing.
If I had a friend that was making good mead I would do all his plumbing for some mead or if I was interested in learning how to do it myself I would plumb for free for life for that knowledge.

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I’ve never locked my cube, front or back.

I guess small’ish communities in Michigan, and good neighbors are different than most.

The handle from my garage door into my house broke a week ago. So it’s been unlocked since.
Damn! You don't lock your doors!! My house doors are even stronger than those used by drug dealers and I'm not exaggerating every single person who has come to my house, has commented on them. Sometimes I hear people walking on the sidewalk and comment among themselves.
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I heard "mead" now where is the party? I used to buy mine back in Denmark from a guy who started his own little brewery just for quality mead. Much better stuff than what at the time was available that had the alcohol percentage spiked instead of letting it take it's time to naturally get there. It has been a while since I last had some mead that was worth sacrificing.
If I had a friend that was making good mead I would do all his plumbing for some mead or if I was interested in learning how to do it myself I would plumb for free for life for that knowledge.

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Mead is simple! Really! It is probably the easiest wine out there to make! Depending on type of honey, yeast, nutrients... leaving for up north tomorrow. I’ll give you some recipes.
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Damn! You don't lock your doors!! My house doors are even stronger than those used by drug dealers and I'm not exaggerating every single person who has come to my house, has commented on them. Sometimes I hear people walking on the sidewalk and comment among themselves.
Usually I keep the house locked up at night, but with a broken knob on a 119y/o house... modern things don’t match up for an easy fix sometimes.

ATM, my cube is pulled slightly forward from my garage, door open, camera ready to be loaded in the morning....

I wish I could live in the country, but I’m right down town!
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Mead is simple! Really! It is probably the easiest wine out there to make! Depending on type of honey, yeast, nutrients... leaving for up north tomorrow. I’ll give you some recipes.
I'm not sure what "up north"means to you as I forget where you have told us that is. I do appreciate the offer of some recipes but I'm afraid I neither have time for such a hobby nor do I actually have any interest in brewing. So thanks for the offer but sending a recipe I'm afraid would be a waste of your good time.

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