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Old 04-15-2020, 08:15 PM   #21
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Never ever use a big head cutter on a line that you don't know about,always use a spear head or no head just to see what is going on,lucky you got it out of that mess,before I do a building I will walk around it looking for cleanouts and manholes,plus I always talk to the city people over the sewers first
First off I would use half side cutter first and go full in second go but boss man says to just go full because we dont really get any crazy roots around here that we can't pull out. Second off we have almost no outside cleanouts here at all (only ever seen maybe 5) so I would not even bother to look for one unless told that there was one. Now this building I got caught up in was maybe 25' from another building and the street was like 60' to the side its not normal to see a manhole in a lawn where the street is close by and I asked the maintenance guy about any possible outside cleanouts. The maintenance guy did not know about any outside cleanouts and did not even know about the manhole. If I had used a half cutter instead of a full I would still have tangled up inside the manhole like I did.

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Old 04-15-2020, 08:19 PM   #22
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First off I would use half side cutter first and go full in second go but boss man says to just go full because we dont really get any crazy roots around here that we can't pull out. Second off we have almost no outside cleanouts here at all (only ever seen maybe 5) so I would not even bother to look for one unless told that there was one. Now this building I got caught up in was maybe 25' from another building and the street was like 60' to the side its not normal to see a manhole in a lawn where the street is close by and I asked the maintenance guy about any possible outside cleanouts. The maintenance guy did not know about any outside cleanouts and did not even know about the manhole. If I had used a half cutter instead of a full I would still have tangled up inside the manhole like I did.





One of our bosses has almost no time in the field. He'll tell the guys to do something a certain way, they show up to a job, order all of the correct parts and do it the correct way.




At the end of the day it's your license/azz on the line, do it right or don't do it anymore. Your boss might be all go go go but when shtf who's getting yelled at? Who looks like an idiot in front of the customer?










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One of our bosses has almost no time in the field. He'll tell the guys to do something a certain way, they show up to a job, order all of the correct parts and do it the correct way.




At the end of the day it's your license/azz on the line, do it right or don't do it anymore. Your boss might be all go go go but when shtf who's getting yelled at? Who looks like an idiot in front of the customer?










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Yep,agree,most bosses don't give a crap or have a clue as to what's really going on,before I was the boss I would do what I thought was right and best way to do things
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First off I would use half side cutter first and go full in second go but boss man says to just go full because we dont really get any crazy roots around here that we can't pull out. Second off we have almost no outside cleanouts here at all (only ever seen maybe 5) so I would not even bother to look for one unless told that there was one. Now this building I got caught up in was maybe 25' from another building and the street was like 60' to the side its not normal to see a manhole in a lawn where the street is close by and I asked the maintenance guy about any possible outside cleanouts. The maintenance guy did not know about any outside cleanouts and did not even know about the manhole. If I had used a half cutter instead of a full I would still have tangled up inside the manhole like I did.

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In ky it's code we have to put a full size cleanout two ft outside the building,and something about maintenance men,most are dumber than owl **** and don't know their azz from hole in ground,I trust nothing any maintenance man tells me,I double check everything one tells me,you will get in a heck of a bind one of these days using full and half side cutters everytime you do a sewer line,no way would I use one unless I knew the line or used a camera beforehand.
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In ky it's code we have to put a full size cleanout two ft outside the building,and something about maintenance men,most are dumber than owl **** and don't know their azz from hole in ground,I trust nothing any maintenance man tells me,I double check everything one tells me,you will get in a heck of a bind one of these days using full and half side cutters everytime you do a sewer line,no way would I use one unless I knew the line or used a camera beforehand.
Well I have done it that way for maybe 6-7 years now with no problems ever until this job and well cutterhead had nothing to do with flipping around in a big manhole.

Around here the code is that a full seize cleanouts is to be installed within 5' of where the sewer enters the building. It can be outside or inside. The thing is that we have snow and winter and mud for most of the year so it really is not practical to have it outside unless you have a second one inside too.

I actually had to do a sewer with an outside cleanout yesterday. Dumb thing was right next to the sidewalk and not by the house so it only would clean 1/2 of the sewer but the clog was by the street so I could actually use it. Now I almost couldn't use that cleanout because the water that was standing in the cleanout pipe had frozen but I managed to poke a hole in it with some warm water. Our sewers has to be a minimum of 7' below ground around here.

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Well I have done it that way for maybe 6-7 years now with no problems ever until this job and well cutterhead had nothing to do with flipping around in a big manhole.

Around here the code is that a full seize cleanouts is to be installed within 5' of where the sewer enters the building. It can be outside or inside. The thing is that we have snow and winter and mud for most of the year so it really is not practical to have it outside unless you have a second one inside too.

I actually had to do a sewer with an outside cleanout yesterday. Dumb thing was right next to the sidewalk and not by the house so it only would clean 1/2 of the sewer but the clog was by the street so I could actually use it. Now I almost couldn't use that cleanout because the water that was standing in the cleanout pipe had frozen but I managed to poke a hole in it with some warm water. Our sewers has to be a minimum of 7' below ground around here.

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Dang,7ft??? That's unreal
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Dang,7ft??? That's unreal
Very real. Code says below frost line and well around here that means 7' minimum.

We still have some snow piles around here that will soon melt.
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Very real. Code says below frost line and well around here that means 7' minimum.

We still have some snow piles around here that will soon melt.
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I can understand a water service line but why a sewer line??itdoes not have water standing in it if installed correctly,main sewers must be really deep where your at if sewer lines have to be 7ft deep
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I can understand a water service line but why a sewer line??itdoes not have water standing in it if installed correctly,main sewers must be really deep where your at if sewer lines have to be 7ft deep
So you have never seen a belly in a sewer? How about sidewalks pushed up because of frostheave? The ground can move and settle. Just the other day I had to unclog a sewer that had an outside cleanout and the standing water in it had froze 1' down and that was because it had gotten down to 6F that night. Now imagine -35F. I can tell you that a few years ago a city water department guy told me they had to dig and the ground was frozen 11' down. So tell me what happens if it can freeze like that around here and your sewer clogs up and sits over night? I have had 2 or 3 times that I had to tell people to get a jetter with warm water in order to get it because my cable simply won't go through solid ice.

I don't want to think of the trouble we would have if sewers were only 3' down.

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Very real. Code says below frost line and well around here that means 7' minimum.

We still have some snow piles around here that will soon melt.
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