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Old 09-24-2019, 08:49 PM   #11
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Nostalgia break:

Does any one else remember when water closet supply lines were 3/8" chrome pipe
with "candle wicking" wrapped around the pipe and held in place by the brass closet supply nut? Mostly on wall hung tanks with 14" rough bowls. Candle wicking also was wrapped around the flush el and secured with a 2" brass nut. Some of the really old tanks were wood with a sheet metal liner.

Somehow it didn't leak.



That is what I decribed:



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The other, even older method is essentially the same as a tubular trap pipe connection. 1/2" copper(5/8" OD) or a 3/8" IPS nipple is inserted into the shank of the ball cock and a nut around the supply squeezes a square cut o-ring into the end of the shank which is reemed to make a ~45 degree bevel. Basically a gauge glass seal if you know what that is.




The candle wicking you describe is actually the replacement. When the rubber washer fails you chip it out and use wicking with some dope instead of pulling everything apart.


It works just like jute caulking on a wooden ship. When it gets wet it expands. The space between the fibers shrinks so small the surface tension of the water won't let it fit.


I have pictures of exactly what you describe from a 100 yr old cabin in the woods on a lake.



The tube going up from the galv is thinwall 3/8" IPS od pipe. It has rust streaks from the chrome plated steel escutcheon on the floor. The tank is lined with a copper box. Probably original. The tank is actually just painted wood not porcelain and was definitely never water proof. The fill valve must have been 70yrs old. It was only 4" tall and I am sure that every year when this place was drained for the winter it sucked near all of the tank water into the house.


What's really cool is that this is a REALLY old toilet. You can see the vent take off for the bowl has been filled with some type of putty. If this was utilized it would have been piped with 2" galv round ductwork into the chimney to provide a constant draft sucking odors from the bowl. Must have been a brisk experience!
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:53 PM   #12
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Here are some more pics. The 3/8"x1/2" bushing wouldn't come out of the 90 so I did the twist with some street fittings. I didn't have an ips 45.



If I ever get frail and cold all the time and move somewhere that's warm all the time, this is the type of shanty I want to live in.
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I hated to do any work on those toilets, it was a freaking balancing act to get the tank back on and secured while trying to line up the flush elbow...glad not many are left around..
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I hated to do any work on those toilets, it was a freaking balancing act to get the tank back on and secured while trying to line up the flush elbow...glad not many are left around..



It can be a pain. The easiest way is to sit on the seat lid while holding the tank in your lap and the lags in your mouth. It's easier if there are threaded lag studs sticking out of the wall instead. Then you can hang it on those and put the nuts on.












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It can be a pain. The easiest way is to sit on the seat lid while holding the tank in your lap and the lags in your mouth. It's easier if there are threaded lag studs sticking out of the wall instead. Then you can hang it on those and put the nuts on.












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part of the problem with that is working between your legs or around the outside of them as they are holding the tank up, as you are messing with the bolts and fitting the elbow into the tank and bowl at the same time...
its been years since the last one I wrestled with and hopefully many more before the next one..
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part of the problem with that is working between your legs or around the outside of them as they are holding the tank up, as you are messing with the bolts and fitting the elbow into the tank and bowl at the same time...
its been years since the last one I wrestled with and hopefully many more before the next one..
I'm glad I never saw one of those, we don't have crazy stuff like that. We only have 6 new Liter toilets now and it's been like that since the 90's.
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At some point, in the 1980's or 90's we stopped repairing leaking flush els or spuds and would not replace the bowls. We still replaced (14") ballcocks etc., but insisted upon a new toilet combination if the bowl or tank needed to be R&R.


It wasn't that we didn't know how or couldn't do it, it was just that we couldn't charge enough to make it profitable. The customer was better served by having the toilet replaced.



And if the old ballcock had a top inlet or through the back wall of the china/wood tank, fugidaboutit!
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At some point, in the 1980's or 90's we stopped repairing leaking flush els or spuds and would not replace the bowls. We still replaced (14") ballcocks etc., but insisted upon a new toilet combination if the bowl or tank needed to be R&R.


It wasn't that we didn't know how or couldn't do it, it was just that we couldn't charge enough to make it profitable. The customer was better served by having the toilet replaced.



And if the old ballcock had a top inlet or through the back wall of the china/wood tank, fugidaboutit!

and then you have people like my PITA sister that likes the OLD crap....when ever she calls to have plumbing done its always an adventure.....like a wall hung toilet with the tank up by the ceiling and shower faucets that go up the wall with handles and outlets for all kinds of accessories...and of course its all in polished brass..god help you if there is a scratch on anything..and the worse part I cant charge much to do it..if it was a regular customer i would charge enough to scare them away...
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and then you have people like my PITA sister that likes the OLD crap....when ever she calls to have plumbing done its always an adventure.....like a wall hung toilet with the tank up by the ceiling and shower faucets that go up the wall with handles and outlets for all kings of accessories...and of course its all in polished brass..god help you if there is a scratch on anything..and the worse part I cant charge much to do it..if it was a regular customer i would charge enough to scare them away...
Yep you are the king of accessories!
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Yep you are the king of accessories!
lol..kinds works too...fixed
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