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Old 08-17-2015, 02:49 PM   #11
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I've always seen the opposite. It's mostly a struggle with quality.

Some residential guys yes, not all. I've seen some bad commercial guys also. Usually non-Union shops
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:22 PM   #12
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Some residential guys yes, not all. I've seen some bad commercial guys also. Usually non-Union shops
I've always worked open-shop. Having said that, I've seen bums in both catagories. The open shops don't have a hall to draw from, so they wind up hiring a bunch of Mooks, just looking to cash a check long enough to collect again. On the other side, I've seen guys who couldn't sniff a chance at a job, except their union protects them. I have found, through personal experience, that the biggest handicap residential guys have, moving to commercial, is that we are too used to being neat & tidy. We think WAY too much also. The upside to that is that our work usually doesn't have to be fixed when we're done. Like PlumDrum said, it all comes down to the license. If we don't respect that piece of paper, and care about our craft enough, the paper means nothing. It's all in our hearts! Pride!!!!!!
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I've always worked open-shop. Having said that, I've seen bums in both catagories. The open shops don't have a hall to draw from, so they wind up hiring a bunch of Mooks, just looking to cash a check long enough to collect again. On the other side, I've seen guys who couldn't sniff a chance at a job, except their union protects them. I have found, through personal experience, that the biggest handicap residential guys have, moving to commercial, is that we are too used to being neat & tidy. We think WAY too much also. The upside to that is that our work usually doesn't have to be fixed when we're done. Like PlumDrum said, it all comes down to the license. If we don't respect that piece of paper, and care about our craft enough, the paper means nothing. It's all in our hearts! Pride!!!!!!
See I've always had his coming to commercial jobs from a resi background and they are clueless about everything commercial. They don't understand hangers, they hack things in and they always have leaks.
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See I've always had his coming to commercial jobs from a resi background and they are clueless about everything commercial. They don't understand hangers, they hack things in and they always have leaks.
I feel that our biggest disadvantage is that we're used to 16" -24" centers for joists. Additionally, working with plastic, more often than not, we're accustomed to closer hanger spans. Again, I feel we think about stuff more, instead of just "Phuck-It, it's on the drawing". I learned early on though, the tricks commercial guys use to keep up production. I guess, if you care enough, you'll take the time to become good at whatever.
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Plumber N8's work looks nice. I think if he ran his waste and storm drain lines in PVC-DWV using the same amount of care, the work would be equally easy on our eyes.
On the other hand, if he were to run his water lines in pex, I'm thinking the impression would be less than favorable.
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I feel that our biggest disadvantage is that we're used to 16" -24" centers for joists. Additionally, working with plastic, more often than not, we're accustomed to closer hanger spans. Again, I feel we think about stuff more, instead of just "Phuck-It, it's on the drawing". I learned early on though, the tricks commercial guys use to keep up production. I guess, if you care enough, you'll take the time to become good at whatever.
If you go by most drawings, you'll fail your inspection. Two different jobs in the past 6 months have had undersized gas pipe, both should have been 3" but the engineer sized out 2". 3 jobs with undersized water mains, worst was engineered for 2" but I sized it out to be 4". Probably a dozen or so with undersized venting, worst was 6 toilets, 8 hand sinks and a break room sink going over 100' and they sized it with 2" with a 4"x2" increaser before it went through the roof.
Add on to that the countless code violations and the fact they never do layovers with the other trades prints and you might as well wipe your ass with drawings these days.
The last company I worked for was strictly residential. Guy was in business for 30+ years. Couldn't size water, drainage, venting or gas to save his life. He thought the biggest drain in a house was 3", biggest vent aside from the stack was 2", largest water or gas main was 1". Couldn't understand why hanger spacing on 1" PVC was closer together than 2".
There are hacks on both sides of it, but I've seen more hacks in residential. Seems like the profits are lower so they try to make up for it by slamming it in and forgetting about it. Even in the service side of it. Anyone will slam in a 40 gallon water heater in a house for $1,000 but if you're charging $10,000 for a 100 gallon heater something subconsciously tells you to give them what they pay for.
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I think it looks great. I cant tell in pics, is cast hanging from strut or angle iron?
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I've always seen the opposite. It's mostly a struggle with quality.
same here with residential guys coming to the big work. I was welding carbon steel on a job and had a res. guy pimping for me. We had to cut a piece of pipe and i was going to weld on a 90. i went for the wrap around when i came back he was cutting away with a porta band. i laughed for a minute then explained the importance of a square end to but up to. i had him hold the 90 while i tacked it,every time i struck an arc the fitting would be gone. he was turning his head when he saw the flash and move the fitting.
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Good looking work there. New construction situations have many advantages over retrofit work in the areas of neatness.
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