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Old 03-03-2019, 08:15 PM   #41
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I know I posted fairly recently about a failure of the hot water recirculating line only at a hair salon using residential hot water heater at the factory setting and normal pressure (under 80psi) .

I am also unsure of this brand of pex my supplier is selling me called "Aquaseal"

I've used wirsbo branded pex for many years, but this aquaseal stuff seems a little stiffer, and the 1/2" variety does weird things if you expand it too rapidly. I've done a few tests in my driveway and the wirsbo pipe works as intended every time, this aquaseal junk is a little scary. It's got the ASTM designation for the expansion technology, but if I put the head into the pipe 100% the first time I go to expand it, it makes stress lines in the pipe similar to what you would expect if the head didn't rotate and you expanded the same position repeatedly.

I asked the salesman about it a couple of weeks ago and he was going to look into it. Haven't heard a peep about it. Might be time to start looking for pex pipe elsewhere.
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:06 PM   #42
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I know I posted fairly recently about a failure of the hot water recirculating line only at a hair salon using residential hot water heater at the factory setting and normal pressure (under 80psi) .

I am also unsure of this brand of pex my supplier is selling me called "Aquaseal"

I've used wirsbo branded pex for many years, but this aquaseal stuff seems a little stiffer, and the 1/2" variety does weird things if you expand it too rapidly. I've done a few tests in my driveway and the wirsbo pipe works as intended every time, this aquaseal junk is a little scary. It's got the ASTM designation for the expansion technology, but if I put the head into the pipe 100% the first time I go to expand it, it makes stress lines in the pipe similar to what you would expect if the head didn't rotate and you expanded the same position repeatedly.

I asked the salesman about it a couple of weeks ago and he was going to look into it. Haven't heard a peep about it. Might be time to start looking for pex pipe elsewhere.

As a one man shop buy the good stuff, you don't want an insurance claim or lawsuit.
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I know I posted fairly recently about a failure of the hot water recirculating line only at a hair salon using residential hot water heater at the factory setting and normal pressure (under 80psi) .

I am also unsure of this brand of pex my supplier is selling me called "Aquaseal"

I've used wirsbo branded pex for many years, but this aquaseal stuff seems a little stiffer, and the 1/2" variety does weird things if you expand it too rapidly. I've done a few tests in my driveway and the wirsbo pipe works as intended every time, this aquaseal junk is a little scary. It's got the ASTM designation for the expansion technology, but if I put the head into the pipe 100% the first time I go to expand it, it makes stress lines in the pipe similar to what you would expect if the head didn't rotate and you expanded the same position repeatedly.

I asked the salesman about it a couple of weeks ago and he was going to look into it. Haven't heard a peep about it. Might be time to start looking for pex pipe elsewhere.


If you are using aquapex by Upanor then you already are using the best stuff on the market..

Their have been many brands on the market that have come and gone.. and your salesman is just attempting to sell you what he has been told to push....and it cannot be that much cheaper.... for the risk you are taking maybe 5 cents a foot less???

It sounds like this stuff is dog shi/ so why are you fooling around with it??
If you want to be a "crash test dummy" go ahead and install a few thousand feet of the stuff and see what happens.....

When the shi/ hits the fan the company will just file bankruptcy and move their operations to canada... and you will be left holding the bag...


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Do you want to do the job fully in wirsbo or you looking just to convert to pex?

I think the various names of the product are due to copyright laws. Since they can't use the most common name they use their own.

From what I understand wirsbo is the popular brand name in Canada and uponor in the US
id like to keep it the same, so Wirsbo. can the Milwaukee exp tool be used for wirsbo and propex?
Wirsbo is the way to go and yes the milwaukee tool works with that
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Awesome, thank you for all the advice fellow brothers.
Job done- water lines/DWV passed.. sorry about the delay..
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Logtec did you end up getting the tool? do you have decent pawn shops in your area? I got my millwaukee m12 tool with 1/2, 3/4, 1" heads, case, charger and 2 batteries for 200 at a pawn shop. I actually saw the same setup for 250 at the same shop today (it was really clean, wanted to buy it and sell mine) I have actually been seeing a lot of them at pawn shops recently. I like the expandable systems better for a couple reasons: never miss crimping a fitting and better flow due to larger fittings.
Does anyone else avoid buying tools from pawn shops because it supports thievery?
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Does anyone else avoid buying tools from pawn shops because it supports thievery?
I don't look at pawn shop tools anymore because seriously they sell them more than if you were to buy them new.

Then some pawn shops look online at the actual cost and shave 90 cents. There must be a reason they don't want to sell them. If someone knows let me know.
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