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Old 03-21-2016, 03:35 PM   #1
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I passed by a newly framed subfloor a couple of blocks from my house this morning just as an Hispanic gentleman was humping a bundle of 10' lengths of 3" plastic DWV off his small pick up (without racks) onto the joists while his amigo was doing what looked like lay out. I wonder if they have green cards.
What people will do to save a buck.
If only CA had journeyman certification like some other states do.
I really feel for inspectors who end up being on the job instructors.
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Old 03-21-2016, 03:54 PM   #2
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If only the inspectors would just walk off the jobs and put condemned until licensed professional is on site signs!
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Old 03-21-2016, 05:21 PM   #3
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I dont know how other states are, but I can hire a 100 mexicans, as long as they legally work for me, the work is covered by my license , as my employees..
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Old 03-21-2016, 06:34 PM   #4
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I dont know how other states are, but I can hire a 100 mexicans, as long as they legally work for me, the work is covered by my license , as my employees..
Around here a journeyman can work for himself, but not hire anyone.
A master can hire as many journeymen as they want.
Apprentices can't work alone and a master can only take on one apprentice for every one journeyman they have. On any given job there has to be at least one journeyman or master for every apprentice there.
You have to keep your journeyman license when you get your masters if you want to continue to work with the tools but holding both licenses doesn't allow you two apprentices, you still only get one.
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Around here a journeyman can work for himself, but not hire anyone.
A master can hire as many journeymen as they want.
Apprentices can't work alone and a master can only take on one apprentice for every one journeyman they have. On any given job there has to be at least one journeyman or master for every apprentice there.
You have to keep your journeyman license when you get your masters if you want to continue to work with the tools but holding both licenses doesn't allow you two apprentices, you still only get one.
is that for union shops? or all shops?
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^^^ Everything is the same here in WI, except a journeyman cannot work FOR himself. You have to hold a master's to work for yourself and to be able to pull permits. As a J-Man you cannot.
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^^^ Everything is the same here in WI, except a journeyman cannot work FOR himself. You have to hold a master's to work for yourself and to be able to pull permits. As a J-Man you cannot.
OK, so in Wi. you have just 1 state license? there arent any jurisdictions that issue master plumbing licenses for their areas, like towns or villages?
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Correct
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Old 03-21-2016, 07:53 PM   #9
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I have ranted on this subject many times.
It makes me sick to see our pipe trades destroyed by ignorance and incompetence.

CA is a total mess on all fronts
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I have ranted on this subject many times.
It makes me sick to see our pipe trades destroyed by ignorance and incompetence.

CA is a total mess on all fronts
well, new york is calis east bookend...I wish there was a state license, but almost every town , city or village can give a plumbing test and issue a license, many are reciprical with other towns , cities and villages, NYC is an animal all its own..the county I live in ( nassau) has about 40 or 50 different building depts and all have there own plumbing license you need to get..and why....REVENUE...they charge plenty just to be able to work in their area..
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