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Old 08-29-2019, 03:06 PM   #11
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any city job you probably need a hook to get hired, you say the hacks are busy doing plumbing in many of your posts, just because your not busy doesnt mean there isnt a ton of work out there needing to be done..
you have to figure out why you arent being called for the plumbing work?
I have turned down plenty of work in the last few years as im as busy as I want to be, but I also have been in business over 30 years and built up a customer base and I get many calls from people that got my name from the list of licensed plumbers with the municipality ..

I think because there's too much competition. It's literally an anthill of companies. I also lose a lot of work for renos and medium jobs because my prices are higher than those who charge really cheap(They charge way less than what an employee costs to run) they usually cut corners and gain a bad rap too. I also lose out because I charge for estimates but I know I'm wasting my energy, gas,time on the majority of them.

Then I lose on commercial work and other areas, since it's commercial I would have to pay 2 other entities monthly and yearly, and do monthly reports and It's way too much hassle and paperwork.

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Old 08-29-2019, 07:32 PM   #12
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Why do the people say there's a shortage of plumbers?

It is the plumbing trades fault that there are not enough plumbers. Those that own the shops, in some cases don't call their employees there true title. They call them techs. I hear this term day in and day out. A tech is a persons who repairs appliances, office machines -- even an auto mechanic could have a tech title. How many shops call a new employee a helper? Give your people the title they deserve "Apprentice Plumber, Journeyman Plumber,
Master Plumber." If you are in a heavy code area, then use the word REGISTERED in front of all three. You have a distinction in this trade might as well capitalize on it. Use these words on truck lettering, business cards, ID badges. There is a difference between a helper and a Registered Apprentice Plumber, or for a Journeyman Plumber vs a Tech. Don't get me started on Clients and Customers.
Now I have to get you started on clients and customers. I'll lead the way by asking this, isn't a client something a prostitute has?

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Now I have to get you started on clients and customers. I'll lead the way by asking this, isn't a client something a prostitute has?

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Ha good one. In french we only call them clients. I think in our trade the appropriate term should be "client".


cli·ent
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a person or organization using the services of a lawyer or other professional person or company.



cus·tom·er
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a person or organization that buys goods or services from a store or business.
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Now I have to get you started on clients and customers. I'll lead the way by asking this, isn't a client something a prostitute has?

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doesnt a p*******te clean your pipes?? just like a drain guy....
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I was at Fergusons today and saw a clown pull up in a plumbing van with basically a mo-hawk kind of hair cut with a pony tail down his back.... He was sporting all kinds of pretty tats too......

I looked at this clown and thought to myself , who in gods name would let him into their home......?? That is the quality of what is out there

I have attempted to encourage guys to get their journeymans cards but it is just wasted time on my part......



At least in this country their is a serious shortage of plumbers, I can guarantee it because we are constantly busy......

When everyone born before 1960 finally all retires their is probably going to be big trouble...


You live in Canada , so that is half your problem .






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I was at Fergusons today and saw a clown pull up in a plumbing van with basically a mo-hawk kind of hair cut with a pony tail down his back.... He was sporting all kinds of pretty tats too......

I looked at this clown and thought to myself , who in gods name would let him into their home......?? That is the quality of what is out there

I have attempted to encourage guys to get their journeymans cards but it is just wasted time on my part......



At least in this country their is a serious shortage of plumbers, I can guarantee it because we are constantly busy......

When everyone born before 1960 finally all retires their is probably going to be big trouble...


You live in Canada , so that is half your problem .






They've been saying that here too when the baby boomers retire... They've been saying that for 25 years and they're still working! They'll retire in another 25!! I think most baby boomers already left, I don't see too many old timers on construction sites and it still hasn't changed a damn thing about a shortage of plumbers. Except now there isn't enough money for generation X like me to retire.

Talking about retirement, I received my retirement papers this week from the construction. I can start taking smaller payments in 8 years or so or wait something like 18 years and get the full plan. The smaller and right away beats the full plan because the average age of death for plumbers is 67 in my area.
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This whole, when baby boomers retire there will be lots of unfilled jobs is bull [email protected]&$. Technically yes but see what happens is that employers are starting to hire warm bodies (we had an apprentice that clearly would never pass the j man test and the boss kept him for a full year even though we all knew he was no good and I personally advocated for him getting fired). These warm bodies are slow, unprofessional and require too much babysitting. I don't one bit mind babysitting a new guy as long as he is interested in making plumbing a career and shows potential to become a good plumber.

Now as the market looses more of the skilled plumbers and fill some of the void with warm bodies that does not have the potential to one day become skilled and replace the skilled person who retired. The plumbing market then starts to have longer wait times for getting a plumber out and this also raises prices. All this results in many jobs going to the general contractor or a hack instead of to plumbers. Now if jobs go more to non plumbers you guys might not see that there is a lack of plumbers to do the jobs because you are blind to all those extra jobs that you simply never see.

Oh and if there truly was no lack of plumbers and not enough jobs out there. Would we be ok with general contractors doing small jobs themselves? Like hook up that vanity they just replaced or install a new toilet or what ever other small stuff. I would never dream of reporting one of our contractors when they do something simple like that. I would only do that if it was something bigger or more important. Now if we were hurting for jobs and non plumbers were taking our jobs I might feel different.
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Another reason I don't get overloaded with calls, I can't say for certain but the majority of small time GCs do the plumbing themselves instead of subbing it out. Most of them are liars and cheats. Just yesterday when I fixed the diy sink the woman was in the process of getting estimates to reno the bathroom and she never thought of asking me!

Seriously what the F?? She said one of the guys who showed up told her he had 28 years experience so I told her why would she hire him? He's not a plumber I am! I gave her an estimate but I'm pretty sure one of them is going to get the job anyway. They all want to save money like ostriches's head in the sand.

Then this morning again, a repeat customer is about to hire a contractor to reno the basement and once again I told her to call the ministry and watch out because he was going to do electrical and other things he isn't licensed for. That poor woman has been screwed over by the last 3 contractors and she's about to be screwed over again.
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The US Bureau of Labor and Statistics {I think that is the gov't. agency's name} predicts a shortage of plumbers as well as other tradesmen in the near future. This is a fact.

The reasons being as I see it:

Young people today do not want to sweat, dig ditches or put in the {5} or so years that it takes to learn a trade. They don't want to wait for anything, they want it now.


For years kids were spoon-fed the lie that college is an absolutely necessary thing. You MUST go to college or risk having a dead-end, low-paying job for life. When I was in school, I took wood-working class and metals class. We actually fabricated items in shop class. Do they even offer shop class to the children today? Maybe, I don't know.
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