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Old 10-16-2019, 09:39 AM   #1
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Oh... that works great too,,, did not see the pipe rack on the side.... Now all you got to do is start using real PVC pipe instead of that black crappy stuff...
That's a monumental task! No one in the entire province uses PVC since plastic was being put in other than underground or now commercial grade gray or XFR.

Even the supply houses don't have white PVC. I don't want to carry primer or that the glue becomes jello in the can. Heck I have to buy a new can of transition glue each time it become jello in 3-4 weeks

No ABS it's not crappy! We'll see if cell core ABS lasts!
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That's a monumental task! No one in the entire province uses PVC since plastic was being put in other than underground or now commercial grade gray or XFR.

Even the supply houses don't have white PVC. I don't want to carry primer or that the glue becomes jello in the can. Heck I have to buy a new can of transition glue each time it become jello in 3-4 weeks

No ABS it's not crappy! We'll see if cell core ABS lasts!

they will all last somewhere between 300 to 800 years...
so we are not going to be replacing any of it due to wear and tear in our lives.......



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That's a monumental task! No one in the entire province uses PVC since plastic was being put in other than underground or now commercial grade gray or XFR.

Even the supply houses don't have white PVC. I don't want to carry primer or that the glue becomes jello in the can. Heck I have to buy a new can of transition glue each time it become jello in 3-4 weeks

No ABS it's not crappy! We'll see if cell core ABS lasts!

why dont you just thin the glue with some acetone? when it starts getting thick...
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why dont you just thin the glue with some acetone? when it starts getting thick...
You mean clear primer? Clear primer works better than straight acetone because it is the same mixture of solvents used to make the glue.












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No ABS it's not crappy! We'll see if cell core ABS lasts!
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they will all last somewhere between 300 to 800 years...
so we are not going to be replacing any of it due to wear and tear in our lives......



Do you not have tree roots where you live? Most places around here abs is not legal to bury and the abs that has been buried doesn't last long. The worst abs root issue I have seen was thin wall abs buried 30ish years ago. Some time shortly after it was buried, maybe even from the snack of one of the workers, an apple tree grew right on top. The brand name of that abs was printed right next to where the roots grew in a stress crack. The name was "Ruut Pruf"



I have seen exactly one pvc line with root issues and when I camerad it there was no evidence of primer/glue(purple required here). The line was less than ten years old. I chalk that up to bad installation.




I've said it before and I'll say it again;




Pvc, the superior white pipe










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No ABS it's not crappy! We'll see if cell core ABS lasts!
They both suck.


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they will all last somewhere between 300 to 800 years...
so we are not going to be replacing any of it due to wear and tear in our lives......



Do you not have tree roots where you live? Most places around here abs is not legal to bury and the abs that has been buried doesn't last long. The worst abs root issue I have seen was thin wall abs buried 30ish years ago. Some time shortly after it was buried, maybe even from the snack of one of the workers, an apple tree grew right on top. The brand name of that abs was printed right next to where the roots grew in a stress crack. The name was "Ruut Pruf" <img src="https://www.plumbingzone.com/images/smilies/vs_laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Vs Laugh" class="inlineimg" /><img src="https://www.plumbingzone.com/images/smilies/vs_laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Vs Laugh" class="inlineimg" /><img src="https://www.plumbingzone.com/images/smilies/vs_laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Vs Laugh" class="inlineimg" />



I have seen exactly one pvc line with root issues and when I camerad it there was no evidence of primer/glue(purple required here). The line was less than ten years old. I chalk that up to bad installation.




I've said it before and I'll say it again;




Pvc, the superior white pipe










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You must not have a lot of pvc in your area. I see roots and broken pvc ALL the time. Not as much as in old cast iron obviously. I have probably only run into buried abs a couple dozen times in thousands of lines I've snaked and inspected. In fact, the last 3 sewers we've dug up have been pvc.

Most of the PVC issues can be traced to improper installation. I too prefer PVC to abs but the pipe and fittings are only as good as the installation will allow.
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You must not have a lot of pvc in your area. I see roots and broken pvc ALL the time. Not as much as in old cast iron obviously. I have probably only run into buried abs a couple dozen times in thousands of lines I've snaked and inspected. In fact, the last 3 sewers we've dug up have been pvc.

Most of the PVC issues can be traced to improper installation. I too prefer PVC to abs but the pipe and fittings are only as good as the installation will allow.



We have a ton of pvc in our area. If it's not cast iron, transite, or orangeburg then there is a 95% chance it's pvc.


I will say it doesn't seem to be that 80's peach colored pvc but the newer post mid 90's pvc that isn't as brittle so that is likely the reason we have so few issues. Pvc took much longer to catch on here for drains and almost none of the buried pvc is that peach colored stuff.


If you want to get real weird we even have some ti-krome pipe. The wildest piping choice I think I have ever seen was a 2" ti-krome oil tank fill and vent.








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why dont you just thin the glue with some acetone? when it starts getting thick...
I didn't know that and the primer trick, I'll get a can. I rarely use that glue I only buy the mini can that has about 8 table spoon full.

Can anyone find the thread of ABS/PVC I'll transfer these post there.
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You mean clear primer? Clear primer works better than straight acetone because it is the same mixture of solvents used to make the glue.












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nope..acetone...you can use pvc primer..it all works to thin the glue....but if you use purple primer then you get purple glue...
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You must not have a lot of pvc in your area. I see roots and broken pvc ALL the time. Not as much as in old cast iron obviously. I have probably only run into buried abs a couple dozen times in thousands of lines I've snaked and inspected. In fact, the last 3 sewers we've dug up have been pvc.

Most of the PVC issues can be traced to improper installation. I too prefer PVC to abs but the pipe and fittings are only as good as the installation will allow.
Lots of roots in pvc pipe here as well but only do to a separation (bad joint, collapsed pipe, improper bedding-broken pipe. Pvc will last many many lifetimes.
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