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Old 09-11-2019, 09:03 PM   #21
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It sounds like you are doing everything you can to come up with reasons why it won't work. What you should be doing is coming up with reasons why you can make it work. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. Do you want to give up before you even start, or rise above and conquer?

You are getting a lot of excellent advice in this thread, especially the parts about making quality service your niche, and focusing on the business aspect. I hope you do find a niche. That would be cool, but again, if it were so easy everyone would have already done it.

It sucks to have a butt head boss. We've all been there. Put your head down and bowl right along, laughing him off if you must. Look at it as him actually doing you a favor. He is highlighting things to make you realize that you never want to make those same mistakes yourself. As the commercial said; "You can learn a lot from a dummy." You will be moving on soon enough.


I have this wonderful book and one sentence that stands out is. "You can learn a lot by just listening". Take note of all his nonsense things and make it better in your business plan, that's how you stand out.
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The backflow testing is something that I know no one around here does or even know of someone who does it. Now because there is no a record keeping of those devices in this area I also know it gets installed and forgotten so I doubt there is a real market for it unless I could convince the inspectors that they should start recording where those devises are installed, at least in commercial buildings. Then maybe they could help spread the word that I was able to do that.


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my area makes everyone with a backflow have it tested every year, but that also caused alot of people to tell the building depts they dont have it anymore so they dont have to keep getting it tested, but commercial places cant do that..I have talked to a few guys that do it and its not really worth it, between equipment and original schooling cost you have to go back each year to get more training and its always on a work day..
so untill it is mandated to be tested, but you have to look at the cost to the municipality to keep track and notify people for testing and they dont collect any fee, or not yet, ...so the odds of anyone pushing for mandatory inspections in smaller towns aint gona happen...
and another thing...anything you hit gold with in a short time you will have 10 guys doing the same thing, so many niche markets are only that way for a short time and then your back to square one..
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You want a niche, do sprinklers. Some make a killing since it's yearly mandatory inspections and not too many guy want to to that type of stuff.
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It sounds like you are doing everything you can to come up with reasons why it won't work. What you should be doing is coming up with reasons why you can make it work. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. Do you want to give up before you even start, or rise above and conquer?



You are getting a lot of excellent advice in this thread, especially the parts about making quality service your niche, and focusing on the business aspect. I hope you do find a niche. That would be cool, but again, if it were so easy everyone would have already done it.



It sucks to have a butt head boss. We've all been there. Put your head down and bowl right along, laughing him off if you must. Look at it as him actually doing you a favor. He is highlighting things to make you realize that you never want to make those same mistakes yourself. As the commercial said; "You can learn a lot from a dummy." You will be moving on soon enough.
I know i write long posts and sometimes it makes my message come out the wrong way. I was trying to hear about more of these interesting niches because I'm curious and think it's fun to learn about. I was only trying to say that things like trench less would not work around here to let you guys know that I am not just randomly thinking some speciality will make me rich or anything like that. With backflow testing I was trying to let you guys know that it might be a market with looking in to. I was also trying to explain that since there is not a record of the devices installed and no one has an interest in them. It might actually be an untapped market because no one knows that there really is a need for it. So if a guy could maybe get the inspectors to focus a little more on it. Maybe even if not starting a list of installed devices maybe at least put some extra focus on it when out inspecting and then could mention that I'm really the only one they know of in the area that can do it. I am meaning to talk to the 2 inspectors I normally deal with to see what their opinion on it us and if they think there is any kind of plumbing need in the market that is not currently being provided. I figured if anyone would know what kind of work there might be a need for in the area it will be the inspectors.

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You want a niche, do sprinklers. Some make a killing since it's yearly mandatory inspections and not too many guy want to to that type of stuff.
First off there are already lawn sprinkler guys here that do only sprinklers and but plumbing. Code might be that the backflow preventer has to be tested yearly but like I have stated the devices are not being registered so no code enforcement on that. With no enforcement it is hard to get people to spend money on that.

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Do what Mark says answer the god damn phone always! I go to the throne the phone is there, I go to down the driveway to get the mail the phone is in my pocket. I have notepads and pens in every pair of shorts, pants and coats, bathroom, garage, truck etc...



And a several more things...It takes a lot of dedication and DISCIPLINE.



A guy at noon called asking when I would be available for a powder room reno finish. I was there within an hour and installed all those complicated fancy fixtures by dinner time.
I know better than to not answer the phone. If I got busy enough and no longer wanted to deal with the calls after hours then I would get an answering service that would take a bite and I could call back next morning or if an emergency they would call me and give me the info on the customer and I would call right away.

I believe I have dedication and discipline taken care of too.

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First off there are already lawn sprinkler guys here that do only sprinklers and but plumbing. Code might be that the backflow preventer has to be tested yearly but like I have stated the devices are not being registered so no code enforcement on that. With no enforcement it is hard to get people to spend money on that.

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I meant fire sprinklers but lawn sprinkler are VERY VERY lucrative too. I don't have all the data but I think lawn sprinklers guys make more money than us.
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I know i write long posts and sometimes it makes my message come out the wrong way. I was trying to hear about more of these interesting niches because I'm curious and think it's fun to learn about. I was only trying to say that things like trench less would not work around here to let you guys know that I am not just randomly thinking some speciality will make me rich or anything like that. With backflow testing I was trying to let you guys know that it might be a market with looking in to. I was also trying to explain that since there is not a record of the devices installed and no one has an interest in them. It might actually be an untapped market because no one knows that there really is a need for it. So if a guy could maybe get the inspectors to focus a little more on it. Maybe even if not starting a list of installed devices maybe at least put some extra focus on it when out inspecting and then could mention that I'm really the only one they know of in the area that can do it. I am meaning to talk to the 2 inspectors I normally deal with to see what their opinion on it us and if they think there is any kind of plumbing need in the market that is not currently being provided. I figured if anyone would know what kind of work there might be a need for in the area it will be the inspectors.

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For the love of Jesus Christ....OKAY.... you sound like a blind squirrel looking for nuts.......

my nitch is Water heaters and water softeners.....has been this way since about 1995...

This nitch is Very easy to me anyway....and its a hell of a lot better than getting into pipe bursting or fooling around in mud all day long.........

I am doing 2 heaters today so far....


My BEST nitch and the most important one that has made all the other nitches work out 1000% better is plastering advertisement STICKERS into every home I walk into and on everything I get nearby....no matter what I am doing there....

If you would have done this since you started years ago, you would probably have your name in more than half the homes in your town and general area... and you would have already built up a very huge number of clients by now.....

So How many homes you going into today?? So what is stopping you from starting to do this ??? The numbers begin to add up quickly and you realize that it is the best Nitch of them all....

good luck and dont forget to answer the phone.

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I meant fire sprinklers but lawn sprinkler are VERY VERY lucrative too. I don't have all the data but I think lawn sprinklers guys make more money than us.


This area is very seasonal..... keep that in mind
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This area is very seasonal..... keep that in mind
Yes very seasonal but if I remember correctly they did a job for the mother in law and she was charged over 6000$ for 1 day of work. I can't say how much materials or equipment was installed but 6000$ that's something to look into.
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