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Old 04-23-2016, 12:40 PM   #31
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Yes, I do mean charge for it, but fix it into the price for cabling as opposed to charging some additional fee. If you normally charge $150 for cabling only, charge $225 and include a camera. Don't give the option. For instance, " The cost to cable a line within whatever parameters costs $225." And that includes a camera. If the customer says they don't want a camera, i tell them its not an option. That's it.


I would have to think about that. Interesting concept. My experience with the camera and cabling lately has been this. I cable the line and knock a bunch of scale off. I run all the water I can. I make several passes with the cable while the water runs. I put the camera in because something warrants it. I see the bottom of the pipe still covered with the scale I knocked free because there is not enough water flow to remove it. I feel like a cable/camera option here is useless. I'm looking to save up for a jetter. A jet/camera combo makes much more sense to me here. Not sure how you are getting the flow with a cable to remove the rubble on the bottom of the pipe.

Other problem I have is that I have one camera, but multiple trucks with k-60 machine. I would have to put a camera on each truck. Don't have that kind of capital yet.
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Old 04-23-2016, 12:52 PM   #32
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You can do all you want but still the customer needs to be convinced to pay the price.
Around here the competition keeps the price low.

I give options but the camera comes out only when the customer pays for it along with warranties.

If I only charged with the camera included I'd be sitting home.
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I think the wear and tear thought is from poor camera technique and abuse. I'd have to look but I think I have around 150k feet inspected with my big camera that I got 2 years ago. No repairs needed yet. Use it everyday.

I always camera first, even with water. Tells me a couple things.....where the blockage is, how far the blockage is, is there a buried cleanout, where does it come out the house so I can look for the cleanout, what kind of pipe(even underwater).

Plus it helps establish the price because I kinda shoot from the hip on the price because a line with a blockage at 30' is priced different then the blockage at 160'.

Letterrip......getting the scale out....alot of times I'll stack 4 star skids and push them out with the camera or I'll use the milling machine and brush which works even better. If I had to outfit trucks, I'd have microreels and CS6 with a scout in all the trucks and a full size and mini at the shop.
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The potential problem I see in the future is the liner being snaked and the reason is because of how the liner was installed. I will use an example, I know 2 guys that do just liners, guy 1 will get his liner within a 1/4" of the city sewer and even on purpose go past a little into the city sewer then grinds it back to the stub for a complete lining job. (often roots are around the sewer stub at the city sewer) Guy 2 is scared of stretching into the sewer and when he lines they stay back 1 foot to 2 foot on every job so that leaves the chance of roots to clog the line in the future and a snaking will be needed to a surprised homeowner who thinks they have a new line. I think guy 1 is a great installer and I recommend him to people all the time, but he charges more than guy 2 and guy 2 gets most of the jobs. Our city makes the homeowner responsible for the entire line under the street, some places it;s just to the property line and is less of a problem.
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So the guy that does better work charges more than the guy that does shoddy work.

I believe it!

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I would have to think about that. Interesting concept. My experience with the camera and cabling lately has been this. I cable the line and knock a bunch of scale off. I run all the water I can. I make several passes with the cable while the water runs. I put the camera in because something warrants it. I see the bottom of the pipe still covered with the scale I knocked free because there is not enough water flow to remove it. I feel like a cable/camera option here is useless. I'm looking to save up for a jetter. A jet/camera combo makes much more sense to me here. Not sure how you are getting the flow with a cable to remove the rubble on the bottom of the pipe.

Other problem I have is that I have one camera, but multiple trucks with k-60 machine. I would have to put a camera on each truck. Don't have that kind of capital yet.
I thought y'all bought a used trailer jetter. Maybe i am thinking if someone else. I hear ya on outfitting your truck's with cameras is a pricey venture. I don't have multiple trucks so I am coming at it from a different perspective. I would recommend having a dedicated drain truck and plumber. Or two of you have enough drain work. One or two guys who are very knowledgeable and have all the necessary equipment. Food for thought.
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That trailer jetter is a flusher type of setup. 2k psi and about 40 GPM. It has a 3/4" hose. Not exactly a residential setup. We have thought about trying to set it up with a smaller hose and head, but I don't want to mess it up playing around.


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That trailer jetter is a flusher type of setup. 2k psi and about 40 GPM. It has a 3/4" hose. Not exactly a residential setup. We have thought about trying to set it up with a smaller hose and head, but I don't want to mess it up playing around.


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Ok. I don't blame you. Well, consider the dedicated drain truck idea. Having a dedicated drain specialist within the company can be very profitable. I've seen other large companies do that and it works great. It eliminates the extra time of calling out the camera or jetter and having to outfit multiple trucks with equipment.
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