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Old 04-21-2016, 12:07 PM   #11
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then why not remove the bladder as part of the lining job so there are no problems later? or do you make another chunk of $$ fixing it a second time , pulling out the bladder. seems to me if the bladder isnt taken out, its half of a job from the beginning...this is not personal to you , as it sounds noone takes the bladder out..any reason for that?
The bladder/backing was not designed to be removed that's the reason it is not removed from installation. The reason for a liner in the 1st place is to rehabilitate a cracked line or prevent root intrusion and it does the job well.

Not removing a bladder is not a half done job as the bladder won't come off or the liner won't clog. In 15 years I've seen this problem 4 times maybe and it was by mistake. Someone came in to clear the line for a clog inside the house and not the main drain. When this was done the snake went too far into the line damaging the bladder it was not due to the liner being clogged or the bladder being already off.

I was called to come take a look at the damage done and provide a solution. If the bladder simply comes out this is a manufacturer defect which I have yet to see. I saw one where the liner was flat in sections this was poor installation. If a liner is done properly this won't happen and there will be no clogs! The problems I've personally seen is due to installer and not the materials.
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Old 04-21-2016, 12:17 PM   #12
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What if the house is sold? Is there a way to identify a liner before a sewer is snaked?
In my area when a house is sold it must be inspected and a camera is sent down the line so the new home owner will know if they need a new sewer or if there is a liner in place.

Manufacturers knew about this bladder deal so they tell you not to snake. But they now are starting to realize that people snake the liners anyways. So I hear some companies now have clean out caps with labels. I'm sure they may be working on a permanent solution. I have no idea!

I like to make it clear that I made this video not to show that a liner has problems but more to show what happens when you snake one. Nothing we use is perfect there are installer errors from faucets, water heaters and lining.


Liners are solid depending on the materials being use and the installer. Once a sewer is lined there should be no reason for a snake for the next 25-50 years.
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The bladder/backing was not designed to be removed that's the reason it is not removed from installation. The reason for a liner in the 1st place is to rehabilitate a cracked line or prevent root intrusion and it does the job well.

Not removing a bladder is not a half done job as the bladder won't come off or the liner won't clog. In 15 years I've seen this problem 4 times maybe and it was by mistake. Someone came in to clear the line for a clog inside the house and not the main drain. When this was done the snake went too far into the line damaging the bladder it was not due to the liner being clogged or the bladder being already off.

I was called to come take a look at the damage done and provide a solution. If the bladder simply comes out this is a manufacturer defect which I have yet to see. I saw one where the liner was flat in sections this was poor installation. If a liner is done properly this won't happen and there will be no clogs! The problems I've personally seen is due to installer and not the materials.
Ok, thanxs for the explanation, my comment for the blockage, was only after the bladder was damaged as you showed in your video, that the now damaged bladder would cause a blockage..
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Great video CJ. That is what I have seen done before on accident. Great info.
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I mean I know before snaking, it should be camerad, but don't you think there should be some kind of identifying marker or something.


Just to be clear. Are you saying that you would throw a camera down a line that is backed up where you can't see anything?? Am I missing something? My camera never goes in first. Cable the line to clear, then camera of warranted for me. I would have no idea that I'm cabling a lined pipe.
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Just to be clear. Are you saying that you would throw a camera down a line that is backed up where you can't see anything?? Am I missing something? My camera never goes in first. Cable the line to clear, then camera of warranted for me. I would have no idea that I'm cabling a lined pipe.
I send my camera gently down a clogged line prior to cleaning if possible. The reason is to see how far out the obstruction is or how far I can go before I hit a misalignment or something. I do NOT use my camera as a means to unclog it but it is a good way to determine a little bit of information prior to cabling. Sometimes it is a soft clog and the camera will push through. This is if I'm working on a sewer line outside and not under a house or building where it could be cast iron and full of holes. Sometimes the clogged line has drained enough or has settled enough to see what the clog is. Then I will know of its better to jet or cable. What is your opposition to running a camera first just to see what you can see?
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Just to be clear. Are you saying that you would throw a camera down a line that is backed up where you can't see anything?? Am I missing something? My camera never goes in first. Cable the line to clear, then camera of warranted for me. I would have no idea that I'm cabling a lined pipe.
Not to mention you are likely getting your camera out free of charge, seems like unnecessary wear and tear on high dollar equipment.
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Not to mention you are likely getting your camera out free of charge, seems like unnecessary wear and tear on high dollar equipment.
How does it make you money sitting on the truck? It's a diagnostic tool. Use it like a pair of pliers. I also don't see how any unnecessary wear and tear is put on a tool designed to run down sewers if you're using it in its intended way. Running a camera down a drain doesn't wear it out. Abuse or trying to unclog a drain with it isn't smart but merely sticking it down the CO doesn't hurt it at all. Unless you have a cheap camera that isn't water proof.

It makes no sense to me to not include running a camera when doing drain work as a part of the job. You are only guessing as to what the issue is if you don't. And telling the customer that it will cost additional to run a camera after cleaning a line makes no sense. If it's unclogged, more often than not, they say, "No thanks, we will see what happens." It's not like it costs money each time you use it. You can usually sell a jet job or repair or replacement if you use it right and are able to diagnose properly, plus you add value to the service. They can see if there is a problem. Let them watch while you run the camera. Most customers love it when they get to see what's going on. They can't argue about an issue that way. If you own a camera and do drain work as a part of your services, why not include it in the pricing for drain cleaning? You make more money with it that way. What am I missing here?
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Sorry for derailing the thread. I will shut up now.
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As long as you're charging for it.
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