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Old 06-03-2018, 11:12 PM   #11
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I remember what Ross Perot said back when he was attempting to run for president....I think around 95.. you would hear a giant sucking sound which was the sound of all our jobs being sucked out of the country..
if NAFTA were ratified......

but the Clintons got their way
Every living president approved of NAFTA at the time. Republicans and Democrats. It has helped many American markets and industries. The farmers up here favor it.

Stop listening to the talking heads as they have nothing good to say about anything, true or not. Bad news and ideas spread faster and sell advertising $$$ more than reality.

And no offense but Ross Perot? "He was eccentric"? I did like him though.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:38 PM   #12
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Every living president approved of NAFTA at the time. Republicans and Democrats. It has helped many American markets and industries. The farmers up here favor it.

Stop listening to the talking heads as they have nothing good to say about anything, true or not. Bad news and ideas spread faster and sell advertising $$$ more than reality.

And no offense but Ross Perot? "He was eccentric"? I did like him though.

Perot turned out to be right....but the powers that be shut him up....
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its not cheaper to buy chinese crap. you just buy it 4 times vs once if decently american made. kind of hard to find american made stuff though these days. prime example I still have a ridgid shovel bought 15 years ago from home depot for $20.00 got only knows how many chinese $8.00 shovels ive gone through.


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A little update. A nearby steel mill is laying off 50 workers because of the US tariff that was supposed to be temporary.

Now this came up in the headlines this morning.



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/tops...id=mailsignout

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Trudeau’s retaliatory tariffs hit U.S. steel products with a 25 per cent charge and U.S. aluminum products and dozens of other products, from frozen pizzas to mattresses to pens, with a 10 per cent charge. The 10 per cent list was targeted at products made in states and particular congressional districts represented by Trump’s Republican Party.

Canadian tariffs are paid by the Canadian businesses that import the U.S. products. Those businesses frequently pass on their cost increases to consumers.
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I remember what Ross Perot said back when he was attempting to run for president....I think around 95.. you would hear a giant sucking sound which was the sound of all our jobs being sucked out of the country..
if NAFTA were ratified......

but the Clintons got their way



I don't know much about nafta but I do know that labor costs and regulations cost less in other countries than they do here. We pay our workers more and we make companies clean their output exhaust, garbage, and liquids instead of polluting. That in my opinion is why we have less manufacturing jobs, call centers, data processing, etc.....all of those require labor which is cheaper elsewhere.


I could be wrong but nafta has to do with import/export duties fees and such correct? While it may make it more costly to export goods or import raw materials I am sure it pales in comparison to our higher labor rates and regulations.






The wall is a different story. I don't dislike the idea of stopping illegal immigration, however you may define it. I would love to have zero illegal immigration. But the idea that a wall will fix that seems wrong if almost all of the immigration, legal and otherwise is people sneaking through official ports of entry inside of a cargo truck or the like. I would really like to see more border patrol officers with better training. pretty sure that wouldn't cost as much as a wall and would create long term, well paying jobs, with government pensions. You tell me who is going to get the jobs building that wall? Pretty sure it won't be us citizens setting up all those forms or handling that steel. Most of the manual labor workers I see are not citizens.


As far as what you see as illegal immigration, I don't really care, that is something for congress to argue over and write up a very detailed bill which explains the exact circumstances under which someone may request citizenship. I don't think that seeking asylum for economic reasons should be allowed. If they don't like the standards of living in their home countries they are more than capable of fixing it. if you can spend 50hours a week digging holes and stacking bricks on a usa construction site you can make mud bricks and stack them in your home country so you don't have to live in a hut. The same goes for any other job they might hope to get here. Civilizations don't happen over night, our ancestors put in the sweat and made a nice place. They can do the same and their kids can have desk jobs in their own countries.


I understand running from gang violence, but at the same time if they don't like it than they need to step up and fight back, yeah, a lot of them will die but the gangs will have to give in because you can't rob people if you kill them all. All of these people going down south to help these people come north should instead help organize an uprising.






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Looks like we'll be poaching more Walleye
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I can fix illegal immigration ibn a heart beat. Put the *******s who hire the illegals in jail. No jobs, no illegals.
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I can fix illegal immigration ibn a heart beat. Put the *******s who hire the illegals in jail. No jobs, no illegals.
many illegals come here for the free government handouts and not to even work...just leeches sucking out all the free stuff they can..
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I can fix illegal immigration ibn a heart beat. Put the *******s who hire the illegals in jail. No jobs, no illegals.



Unfortunately very rarely are the employees or employers reported. Just like people who shouldn't be claiming disability, wellfare, food stamps, etc......They are able to do it because almost no one reports them.


It's the same thing with the guys who are nutso and shoot up or blow up people and places. Someone knew that they were likely to do these horrible acts and someone knew that they had these explosives. But often people don't say anything because they don't have any....balls, for lack of a better term. I guess it's more of a pride thing. People don't want to be wrong or they will feel stupid.



We need to make it ok to be wrong. No one wants to think they are wrong. but the truth is, if you can be wrong than you can still learn new things. Refusing to accept that you might not be correct is called willful ignorance, stupidity. It's okay to be ignorant, we are all ignorant of many things, it's not okay to choose to stay that way and ignore the truth and facts right in front of you.






Here's a for instance, many(Not just shtrns) opposed to "illegal" immigration will say that those coming here are leeches. Is it possible that some of those who come here without going through the proper process are not leeches? Can you really say that 100% of them are leeches? I am wary of anyone who claims to know with 100% anything about a group of people.


I also don't like when those with the opposite view point try to paint all immigrants as poor souls in desperate need of help. You really going to tell me that none of them have bad motives? We can't fix south americas problems with immigration.


You can disagree with me, you can show me why you think I am wrong. But don't tell me that a group of people are all one thing or another. Not all sheep have the same amount of wool and if you have ten different chickens you'll get ten different shades of brown eggs.








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Unfortunately very rarely are the employees or employers reported. Just like people who shouldn't be claiming disability, wellfare, food stamps, etc......They are able to do it because almost no one reports them.


It's the same thing with the guys who are nutso and shoot up or blow up people and places. Someone knew that they were likely to do these horrible acts and someone knew that they had these explosives. But often people don't say anything because they don't have any....balls, for lack of a better term. I guess it's more of a pride thing. People don't want to be wrong or they will feel stupid.



We need to make it ok to be wrong. No one wants to think they are wrong. but the truth is, if you can be wrong than you can still learn new things. Refusing to accept that you might not be correct is called willful ignorance, stupidity. It's okay to be ignorant, we are all ignorant of many things, it's not okay to choose to stay that way and ignore the truth and facts right in front of you.






Here's a for instance, many(Not just shtrns) opposed to "illegal" immigration will say that those coming here are leeches. Is it possible that some of those who come here without going through the proper process are not leeches? Can you really say that 100% of them are leeches? I am wary of anyone who claims to know with 100% anything about a group of people.


I also don't like when those with the opposite view point try to paint all immigrants as poor souls in desperate need of help. You really going to tell me that none of them have bad motives? We can't fix south americas problems with immigration.


You can disagree with me, you can show me why you think I am wrong. But don't tell me that a group of people are all one thing or another. Not all sheep have the same amount of wool and if you have ten different chickens you'll get ten different shades of brown eggs.








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Skoronesa I am mostly with you on that you can't normally judge a group of people to be 100% something. The part where I'm not quite with you is the fact that because you already acknowledged it as a group you also acknowledged that they all have at least 1 thing in common otherwise it would not be a group.

No you can't say that 100% of illegal immigrants are leeches but you can most certainly say that 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals. It's a fact that anyone that is in a country illegally by definition already broke the law so therefore all illegal immigrants are criminals. Many make the mistake of grouping illegal immigrants in with legal immigrants and then it becomes a wrong statement.

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