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Old 05-13-2019, 09:12 AM   #1
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I have been doing plumbing work in the city I come from for 30 years.
Usually when doing a water service replacement I tie the piping into the cities meter. (way I was taught). I have been asked numerous times "why don't you let the city tie it in, what if something breaks on the yolk ,etc.."?.
(we cannot get City Yolks at supply house)..
Well, I did a service, poly piping,and the yolk was old and rusted,so I figure call the city and get them to do it. (no one presently in home).
I called city service left order,seemed easy enough. Few days no one shows...I call again, this time, "I can only speak to owner". OK.. I have owner call, they tell him 21 days ! OK..NO SHOW.. Owner calls again, "i am sorry sir,someone will be there tomorrow".
OK...Couple days go by owner asks if I will see if they showed. I go to site,tag on door says "all done".. YUP, new service staring me in the face, meter on,water steady running through dis-connected service, YUP,all done ,I for one do not think calling them is a good idea .
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Now exactly sure what you are talking about. You wanted the city to connect your pipe to the water meter? Outside or inside? Do you have any pictures?

I for one would never close the water main in the front yard or connect to the valve if a trench was dug. For 75$ it's their problem if it breaks.
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Most places around here the customer is responsible for the cost right up to main which also usually means they are responsible for hiring someone to do that. If the town main needs to be shut off guys from the town will show up and shut it off but the customers licensed plumber will be connecting to it. If they do not have a licensed plumber one will be hired for them and they will be paying pretty much whatever they want to charge(it's always within reason).


Some of the larger municipalities have a fully equipped town water department and the city will provide up to and including the curb stop. Even the smaller water departments are "fully equipped" they just don't usually have full time guys, much less more than one licensed plumbers on staff. Therefore the plumbing companies like us who are large and have been around for a long time are a trusted fixture(haha plumbing pun!) of the community.


I have no problem wrenching on whatever. I know what I am doing and if something goes south we all get the benefit of the doubt and no one screams SUE! SUE! We are all just trying to do our best working together. It must really suck living in a rat race. I fell bad for you guys in the city who have to constantly worry about covering your asses first and doing a good job second.








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I have no problem wrenching on whatever. I know what I am doing and if something goes south we all get the benefit of the doubt and no one screams SUE! SUE! We are all just trying to do our best working together. It must really suck living in a rat race. I fell bad for you guys in the city who have to constantly worry about covering your asses first and doing a good job second.

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If I close the curb valve and it breaks, I pay for the backhoe, new grass, new asphalt driveway and I pay for the valve that belong to the city! And oh that's another licence which isn't reserved for plumbers, luckily I have it other wise I'd have to hire someone else.

Yep, psychologist first, lawyer second, businessman 3rd and plumber last. The woman and her son today were puzzled why they had to sign my work order twice with a spot where they have to confirm the time I used.

I have to be protect myself because I learned the hard way a single signature isn't enough to prove your innocence because they can twist the meaning if you only have one.
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If I close the curb valve and it breaks, I pay for the backhoe, new grass, new asphalt driveway and I pay for the valve that belong to the city! And oh that's another licence which isn't reserved for plumbers, luckily I have it other wise I'd have to hire someone else.

Yep, psychologist first, lawyer second, businessman 3rd and plumber last. The woman and her son today were puzzled why they had to sign my work order twice with a spot where they have to confirm the time I used.

I have to be protect myself because I learned the hard way a single signature isn't enough to prove your innocence because they can twist the meaning if you only have one.


No backhoe here, only a shovel as our frost line is only 14".
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No backhoe here, only a shovel as our frost line is only 14".
Bah humbug!

6 - to 8 feet here...
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Most places around here the customer is responsible for the cost right up to main which also usually means they are responsible for hiring someone to do that. If the town main needs to be shut off guys from the town will show up and shut it off but the customers licensed plumber will be connecting to it. If they do not have a licensed plumber one will be hired for them and they will be paying pretty much whatever they want to charge(it's always within reason).


Some of the larger municipalities have a fully equipped town water department and the city will provide up to and including the curb stop. Even the smaller water departments are "fully equipped" they just don't usually have full time guys, much less more than one licensed plumbers on staff. Therefore the plumbing companies like us who are large and have been around for a long time are a trusted fixture(haha plumbing pun!) of the community.


I have no problem wrenching on whatever. I know what I am doing and if something goes south we all get the benefit of the doubt and no one screams SUE! SUE! We are all just trying to do our best working together. It must really suck living in a rat race. I fell bad for you guys in the city who have to constantly worry about covering your asses first and doing a good job second.








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You got it . Thats the problem, covering your ass seems to be more important which drives me up the wall
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Now exactly sure what you are talking about. You wanted the city to connect your pipe to the water meter? Outside or inside? Do you have any pictures?

I for one would never close the water main in the front yard or connect to the valve if a trench was dug. For 75$ it's their problem if it breaks


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It was an entire service front yard 36" deep - permit - done correctly. I was just going to let the city make the connection to their piping.
I installed about 30' - 3/4" CTS Poly (plastic) service piping with a tracer wire.
All they had to do was tie it in, You couldnt miss the new service I had YELLOW tape holding tracer wire to piping. It looked like a SNAKE. Somehow they couldnt read their own work order , see the NEW PIPE and the morons turn the broken service on. The meter was spinning, how could they NOT know they screwed up.
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It was an entire service front yard 36" deep - permit - done correctly. I was just going to let the city make the connection to their piping.
I installed about 30' - 3/4" CTS Poly (plastic) service piping with a tracer wire.
All they had to do was tie it in, You couldnt miss the new service I had YELLOW tape holding tracer wire to piping. It looked like a SNAKE. Somehow they couldnt read their own work order , see the NEW PIPE and the morons turn the broken service on. The meter was spinning, how could they NOT know they screwed up.
I learned some time ago people have different levels of intelligence. They're are also a degree of sharpness, to understand your environment.

Then there are those who have no knowledge or they are complete neanderthals.


Yesterday at mcdonald a guy had to have his hamburger redone 3 times because he said no onions. The last I seen of him is when he took his receipt and showed the manager. He was on the verge of punching her out.

While me, I had to return 2 hour cold fries and she forgot to bring new ones to my table...
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I just looked at a screwed up stop valve this morning. Probably been in the ground attached to the galvanized water service since 1960. They wanted me to try to turn it off so they could finish their remodel. I put as much pressure as I felt comfortable and the thing would not budge.

He then wanted me to try and thread the 80+ year old galvanized pipe in the ground and install a new valve in it's place.



The pipe doesn't even look like pipe anymore. He claims there's another valve about a half mile up the road that shuts that off along with 3 other houses, and we walked to where it was supposedly at, and no valve.

Call me when you find it.
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