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Old 04-20-2019, 02:39 PM   #21
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We charge about 4200 (minimal gas work), up to about 6500 (for upsizing gas pipe if close to meter, or upsizing meter, running csst and regulators for existing appliances, etc)

I have seen estimates as high as 9000, for houses that need a ton of gas work.

Honestly, our prices are very high for tankless. If you go by the book, charging for valve kit, gas work by the foot, etc. The gas company can do it for 3/4 the cost or better.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:11 PM   #22
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Rheem 50 gal power vent is $950 at Home Cheapo and a Bradford-White is around $1300 at Wolseley, WTF? Is the BW really worth that much more?? Same warranty too.

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we have been putting in home cheapo units lately Rheem* because of the price difference same warranty too.. It wasnt wolseley but same difference the prices are the same across all supplies in our area.. wolseley, Noble, Emco, .. our little home town supplier just got bought by noble and emco owns noble so really.. Ive used marks and mckeoughs on occasion too
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We charge about 4200 (minimal gas work), up to about 6500 (for upsizing gas pipe if close to meter, or upsizing meter, running csst and regulators for existing appliances, etc)

I have seen estimates as high as 9000, for houses that need a ton of gas work.

Honestly, our prices are very high for tankless. If you go by the book, charging for valve kit, gas work by the foot, etc. The gas company can do it for 3/4 the cost or better.



You must be in the bay area or somewhere out in california... guys around here would get kicked out of the house if they quoted that kind of price......

I have heard as high as 5000 which really you cannot justify compaired to just a common 50 gallon gas heater or 75 for that matter...


I am gonna have to get a navien and throw it in my home next to my 75 gal gas heater then throw in a bypass on the wall to switch from one to another and do a little experiment....

I dont need the abuse but I need to get up to speed on some of this......





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You must be in the bay area or somewhere out in california... guys around here would get kicked out of the house if they quoted that kind of price......

I have heard as high as 5000 which really you cannot justify compaired to just a common 50 gallon gas heater or 75 for that matter...


I am gonna have to get a navien and throw it in my home next to my 75 gal gas heater then throw in a bypass on the wall to switch from one to another and do a little experiment....

I don't need the abuse but I need to get up to speed on some of this......

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I don't make the prices in the book, not sure what to say. The cheapest tankless in the pricebook is about 3200, then you add the valve kit (400), then any gas work (regulator is 400), gas is 30 by the foot for csst, permit fee, carbon monoxide detectors, venting by the foot if needed, adding a gfci protected circuit if needed, gas line permits.

It adds up quick. Part of the problem is me, I don't know the business well enough to know where I can get away with hiding cost under other things.

For instance, I had an estimate the other day to convert to tankless, and the setup was just about perfect, 2psi already within 2ft of the location (so no upsizing pipe, no upsizing meter and regulating other appliances), outlet already there, outside wall right there so minimal venting.

But by the time I clicked on all the parts and pieces, the estimate was 5200 vs 3500 for a like for like 50gal tank.

It is what it is I guess. It seems to me that if the quote isn't done right, and something is missed, we loose our a$$ in a heartbeat, so the pricing reflects a cushion for all the things that invariably go wrong.

Like the inspectors failing us for silly things like we talked about in other threads.
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I charge about $3,500 installed for a Rinnai RL94in. As long as it's a simple through the wall vent situation. That's CDN $ too so American would be 30% less.

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I charge about $3,500 installed for a Rinnai RL94in. As long as it's a simple through the wall vent situation. That's CDN $ too so American would be 30% less.

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Even if you have to get the gas company to upsize the meter, regulate other appliances, and a reg for the tankless? Thats multiple trips right there. plus waiting for inspector to pass gas line test, etc.

The unit alone is 1300, your at 37% materials cost just for the tankless, add a whip, gas pipe, some pex and fittings, disposing of old unit, doesn't seem like much room in there for profit?
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We charge about 4200 (minimal gas work), up to about 6500 (for upsizing gas pipe if close to meter, or upsizing meter, running csst and regulators for existing appliances, etc)

I have seen estimates as high as 9000, for houses that need a ton of gas work.

Honestly, our prices are very high for tankless. If you go by the book, charging for valve kit, gas work by the foot, etc. The gas company can do it for 3/4 the cost or better.


Same, $4000 - $4800 is our price range. But it's the market that causes that.
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Even if you have to get the gas company to upsize the meter, regulate other appliances, and a reg for the tankless? Thats multiple trips right there. plus waiting for inspector to pass gas line test, etc.



The unit alone is 1300, your at 37% materials cost just for the tankless, add a whip, gas pipe, some pex and fittings, disposing of old unit, doesn't seem like much room in there for profit?
All valid points! And yes I probably could charge a bit more but you have to factor in what the market will bear. We're a smaller city in the north so prices generally trend to be lower than say Toronto or Hamilton. I'm also just an OMS with minimal overhead so I usually do okay. My prices are more than fair but I still get under bid a lot by the Handy Andy guys. Also we don't have actual permits or inspections on gas installations in Ontario. There are not enough inspectors to do that. They just do a few random inspections on each contractor every three years.

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Same, $4000 - $4800 is our price range. But it's the market that causes that.
Sorry, the market here ALLOWS that, not causes.
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All valid points! And yes I probably could charge a bit more but you have to factor in what the market will bear. We're a smaller city in the north so prices generally trend to be lower than say Toronto or Hamilton. I'm also just an OMS with minimal overhead so I usually do okay. My prices are more than fair but I still get under bid a lot by the Handy Andy guys. Also we don't have actual permits or inspections on gas installations in Ontario. There are not enough inspectors to do that. They just do a few random inspections on each contractor every three years.

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