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Old 05-02-2019, 10:16 AM   #11
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No cold temps its in an isulated storage room.
Brittle wirsbo with lots of calcite build up.
Im thinking water quality has alot to do with it...other than that it will be a crap shoot in the future what happens to pex...regardless of brands..
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:30 PM   #12
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No cold temps its in an isulated storage room.
Brittle wirsbo with lots of calcite build up.
I did not mean if the pipe froze and split. What i meant was, maybe the pipe was originally installed during winter time and just from sitting in the van the pipe was cold and frozen so when expanding the pipe over the fitting maybe the pipe got a few tiny hairline cracks, not enough to be a problem right away but maybe enough that the water with time wire through a lot faster in that spot.

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Im thinking water quality has alot to do with it...other than that it will be a crap shoot in the future what happens to pex...regardless of brands..
The copper industry was saying this back in 2003 or so when they legalized pex to be used in california.. They were jumping up and down about this....

Wirsbo pex has worked great in France for a long time but they have no florides or chlorines in their water systems to attack the stuff like the USA has.....'

they figured it was good for maybe 40 years if we are lucky......give or take

again, it wont be my problem
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Im thinking water quality has alot to do with it...other than that it will be a crap shoot in the future what happens to pex...regardless of brands..
The copper industry was saying this back in 2003 or so when they legalized pex to be used in california.. They were jumping up and down about this....

Wirsbo pex has worked great in France for a long time but they have no florides or chlorines in their water systems to attack the stuff like the USA has.....'

they figured it was good for maybe 40 years if we are lucky......give or take

again, it wont be my problem<img src="https://www.plumbingzone.com/images/smilies/laugh.png" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />
Appartly this building has started using "somthing" in there water to prevent pin hole leaks in the copper, we took floride out of the city water system in 2013 and now there putting it back in 2020. So im sure it has sonthing to do with the quality of the water...
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Appartly this building has started using "somthing" in there water to prevent pin hole leaks in the copper, we took floride out of the city water system in 2013 and now there putting it back in 2020. So im sure it has sonthing to do with the quality of the water...

Water softeners in our area are falling apart in less than 6 years these days....depending on how close you are to where the water company injects the chlorine into the system.

The resin filter beds used to last 15 years all the time when I was a kid but now if you dont buy the most chlorine and chlorimines resistant resin you can expect them to break down fast......

Chlormines, it is the name for the new contaminant that they are using in our area during different seasons of the year.....they switch back and forth...

I have no idea what they will eventually do to the pexes..... Of course ,
much of the grey poly pipe they threw into the homes back in 1978 is still holding up ok........

I try to sell people a charcoal filter that takes out all this crap before it gets into the softeners and into the water lines....and eventually gets into your liver..... its reallybest for your health......

If you knew the stuff they threw into the water systems to keep it drinkable you probably would just drink beer and wine......





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I see Wirsbo/Uponor leaks here all the time. If it has a recirculating pump with no timer, its a ticking time bomb. Chlorine eats Wirsbo up. It is the worst PEX for chlorine. I've seen it turn black, looks like bacteria is feeding on it. Its the PEX of choice in my area so leaks are common. Got a ton of huge houses here with big recirculating loops. Leaks a lot
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1-1/4 hot water domestic line
Recirculating pump on it?
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Yea, its a 10 story building
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We've had same problems in our buildings... it's an issue that will continue to happen... more work for us no pipe is for life dont care what anyone says
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