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Old 06-15-2018, 09:14 PM   #1
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Got sent to a call yesterday to dig down to sewer and water main where it goes in through the foundation. Customer was getting water in basement coming in from sewer main. I wasn’t the one to sell the job, they just sent me there and told me what to do. So I dig down the the water and sewer. The idea was to seal around the pipes where they go into the wall because they assumed it was ground water. If we were to find a break in either line we would make repair. Got to the water main first and sealed it up. Good to go. Next I dig up the sewer and noticed that a fitting had come apart right by the wall. There are a few inches of 4” abs coming through the wall then the t for cleanout. It looks like the cleanout separates from the piece coming through wall. Next I go inside for the first time to see what’s going on in the basement. As you can see in the picture it looks like they shoved a 3” y into a piece of 4” coming through the wall which is the piece of 4” I see stubbed out outside. I’m assuming they put a few feet of 3” on that y and just pushed it into the 4” outside right? So what’s the right fix for this? Remove that y and reinstall with a 3x4 coupling outside? The whole house drops into that 3” y at the wall then it goes to 4 outside
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:56 PM   #2
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in the first picture that looks like the 3" is going into a 4" sleeve through the foundation wall to me.
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Yes that’s what it looks like to me too then outside you can see that 4” sleeve come through the wall but they glued on a 4” t for the clean out and kept on going with 4” for the rest of the main.
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Let me get this straight, you are an apprentice sent on a job alone, no journeyman to guide you. You also don't seem to ask your boss what to do but instead you ask here.


Explain your outfit because it's not smoke anymore but fire.
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Let me get this straight, you are an apprentice sent on a job alone, no journeyman to guide you. You also don't seem to ask your boss what to do but instead you ask here.


Explain your outfit because it's not smoke anymore but fire.


Tango brings up a great point, as liberal as Canada tends to be, why the hell arent you calling your boss to get his advice?

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Let me get this straight, you are an apprentice sent on a job alone, no journeyman to guide you. You also don't seem to ask your boss what to do but instead you ask here.


Explain your outfit because it's not smoke anymore but fire.
Please try and go a little easier on him, it’s not his fault he doesn’t know as much as he should. Companies here send “techs” out on their own way quicker than they should. The less you know the more you make for the company. He’s asking questions and trying to learn, that’s more than I see with a lot of people in that position.

I worked for a company back in the day and the only training was sales, no technical. @OpenSights knows what it’s like at these companies, he’s posted about it a few times.
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well...............
if im understanding this right, I would break the foundation from the exterior until i found the hub from that Y” then see if I could glue a new piece of 3” to it, make sure you sleeve it 1 pipe size larger and seal it well. then increase to 4” on the exterior 3x4 like you said. its tough because you dont have much option to adjust inside unless you offset the stack, which looks like it means cutting off the san tee above your Y, then god knows what that opens up.....


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of call a crete guy and convince them to move their foundation wall 1’ or so out so you can make your repair inside


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Agree with Johnny - cut out the San tee and replace from there to wherever you can outside - use the 4” that’s already there as a sleeve through the concrete - you can also do it by cutting between the tee and wye and then use a pipe shredder aka socket saver (not messing with you this time - feel too guilty about the putty trick lol) to cut the pipe out of the hub on the bottom of the tee and then just glue a new piece into the bottom of the tee - either way just put new 3” through the 4” and make a proper transition outside
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Please try and go a little easier on him, it’s not his fault he doesn’t know as much as he should. Companies here send “techs” out on their own way quicker than they should. The less you know the more you make for the company. He’s asking questions and trying to learn, that’s more than I see with a lot of people in that position.

I worked for a company back in the day and the only training was sales, no technical. @OpenSights knows what it’s like at these companies, he’s posted about it a few times.
If that's the case I can understand. It angers me that lousy companies send in kids to work when they are just starting out without much knowledge and charging high rates. And looks like the boss ain't helping either!

I get the complaints saying the rates are expensive and some shop elsewhere even though I explain the difference they might get if they call another outfit. For example in this case. A beginner vs someone with decades of experience.


I would suggest to 02stangguy to describe the company he works for because right now its a hazy story.
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