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Old 06-04-2019, 06:21 PM   #91
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I've just heard that it's a no no.. to mix putty with plastics so I dont do it... I've read on a abs p.o plug dont use it... maybe it doesn't really attack it but if the putty is a petroleum product and plastic is a petroleum product there is a possibility there is some reaction...

Basically its silicone for everything except brass p.os into cermaic glazed and metal enamel sink and the odd time I'll put it in if a basket strainer isn't fitting into the cup properly..

If it seals and lasts I'm fine with that... the only reason I dont use silicone on the things mentioned is that I can only clean it so good when its wet (silicone) the customer will have to take a scouring pad and scrub the excess off once its lost its tack where as the putty is easier for clean up wise...

There is a guy at work never uses either... like obviously there are some things its needed for but.. he just says the rubber is what seals the basket strainer..

Now we've had this conflict before and he says rubber goes on bottom I say top... i dont know anymore because other guys say the top aswell but I trust him... whatever he does it works never have had a call back to fix his things plus hes been doing this work for 40 years plus... he said 2020 will be 43 years for him.. just an addition to stir pot lol..

Also I use master brand putty and it says dont use on plastic... so whatever it does.. I follow what manufacturers recommend.. hell I even have a torque wrench for fernco gear bands
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:54 PM   #92
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I've just heard that it's a no no.. to mix putty with plastics so I dont do it... I've read on a abs p.o plug dont use it... maybe it doesn't really attack it but if the putty is a petroleum product and plastic is a petroleum product there is a possibility there is some reaction...

Correct, there is some reaction but it isn't enough to cause damage or we would be seeing failures indicating such in the field. If anything it helps the putty seal in my opinion.


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There is a guy at work never uses either... like obviously there are some things its needed for but.. he just says the rubber is what seals the basket strainer..

Now we've had this conflict before and he says rubber goes on bottom I say top... i dont know anymore because other guys say the top aswell but I trust him... whatever he does it works never have had a call back to fix his things plus hes been doing this work for 40 years plus... he said 2020 will be 43 years for him.. just an addition to stir pot lol..


The large rubber seal for a basket strainer goes below the sink. Mind you there are two(most common) types of basket strainer and this is true for both. One has a small nut and no fiber washer but does have a rubber washer. The other has a large nut with a fiber washer and then rubber.



I guess neither has to have putty(or silicone) as when you squish the rubber washer it should expand in as well as squishing out and thus seal against the basket. I have never relied on this and don't really want to. Either way the putty(or silicone) is mainly there to fill the small gap under the lip of the strainer so no food sticks in there and rots. It also makes a seal.


Not using putty(or silicone) on a pop-up seems fine except again for the issue of stuff getting in that gap like soap and rotting or corroding the metal. The rubber washer has to make a seal whether you use putty(or silicone) or not because the holes for the overflow are there.


Honestly now that I think about it I am questioning if putty(or silicone) is really needed at all on sink baskets or pop-ups. I know that every plumber I have worked with has used putty and every one i have taken apart even from 80 years ago has had putty. But the more I think about it the more I can see how putty(or silicone) isn't really needed.


I feel like these putty(or silicone) posts need to be moved to a dedicated thread where we can debate this subject.








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Old 06-04-2019, 10:09 PM   #93
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Now this is where it gets messed up.. because your picture shows it on the bottom... in the kindred manual it shows the gaskets on the top... let me find you a pic
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Now this is where it gets messed up.. because your picture shows it on the bottom... in the kindred manual it shows the gaskets on the top... let me find you a pic
It depends on the manufacturer and the thickness of the gasket. Thin gasket can go on top. Thick gasket on the bottom.

Sometimes I put silicone on kitchen basket strainers and sometimes not, it depend on the kit I have at the moment.

As for lav pop ups. No need for for a seal on top because if it goes through the overflow part catches it. It's underneath the sink that matters. I still put silicone on top and below. I don't want call backs.
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As for lav pop ups. No need for for a seal on top because if it goes through the overflow part catches it. It's underneath the sink that matters. I still put silicone on top and below. I don't want call backs.
If you donít seal the top then the water will leak through when someone uses the pop-up plunger to fill the sink, it wonít hold water.

No need to seal the top on a lav grid strainer.
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If you donít seal the top then the water will leak through when someone uses the pop-up plunger to fill the sink, it wonít hold water.

No need to seal the top on a lav grid strainer.

Ah ok I see. You are correct sir. Who uses the popup anyways?
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Ah ok I see. You are correct sir. Who uses the popup anyways?
anyone that wants to fill a sink with water, shaving, washing etc....
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Now this is where it gets messed up.. because your picture shows it on the bottom... in the kindred manual it shows the gaskets on the top... let me find you a pic



I have seen one or two with a real thin gasket for the topside but if it has the 1/8" thick ones it goes below.


I would love to see one that your coworkers put in with the thick seal on top lolz, must look like azz!!!






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Now this is where it gets messed up.. because your picture shows it on the bottom... in the kindred manual it shows the gaskets on the top... let me find you a pic



I have seen one or two with a real thin gasket for the topside but if it has the 1/8" thick ones it goes below.


I would love to see one that your coworkers put in with the thick seal on top lolz, must look like azz!!!<img src="https://www.plumbingzone.com/images/smilies/vs_laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Vs Laugh" class="inlineimg" />






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We never actually use the ones with thick gasket... just thin gasket ones... like I say they are kindred with the 1 1/2" large nut nut the monster 3" nut or whatever it is... I just meant the thin gasket ones...

Some guys put them on top others on bottom I asked them.. but never any leaks they say
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This one is a prototype for those forgettable "no name" free standing tub drain. I've had to deal with 3 of those till now. Cheap junk but I still have to deal with them. Maybe I should find a 1 1/2" kitchen/lav type drain to replace them or something.

I have no idea if it's going to work the next time I see one. Step spade 1 1/4" to 1 3/4"

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