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Old 03-21-2020, 12:38 AM   #1
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Not all faucets have replaceable seats. Also, some faucet seats are irreplaceable because they are no longer made. But you all know this. You also know there are tools to grind/resurface the seat in old faucets. Seat resurfacing tool bits have a 3/8"-16NC female thread. Sexauer makes what i think is the best tool, but unlike most it takes a 1/4-?NS thread.


I happen to have some stainless ground/polished 3/8" rod just like the shaft of the sexauer tool so I made my own center stem that is compatible with the alignment pieces. But it's 3/8"-16NC so I can use my sexauer tool with the 3/8" bits.


The handle is 5/8" tool steel. I drilled the hole with a worn 3/8" bit so I could heat it up and get a shrink fit on the shaft. Threading the stainless 3/8" rod was definitely the hardest part. Excuse the pun!! lolz It kept slipping in my cordless drills chuck so I swapped on a keyed chuck from a milwaukee right angle drill.









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Old 03-21-2020, 01:34 AM   #2
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Years ago I have a seat refinishing tool, but it was cheap, prob firm HD or crappy tire.(the threaded tapered guide was plastic, it cross-threaded or wouldn’t thread, and was pretty much useless. It was ok at best, It might have worked a few times..

I haven’t resurfaced a seat in prob 15+ years.
Now, If I can’t replace the seat In a faucet, Ill just replace the faucet.
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@Logtec Do you carry Danfoss, Emco and Waltec parts?

I have made the decision this week to stop trying to find and buy Emco and Waltec parts for those 2 handle tub/shower. These were the only faucet you can replace the seats anyway. I went to get a diverter replacement this week from a big box where I usually get and them they told me it was discontinued. I still can get it at Wolseley but it was my cue to stop. There's only a few houses and one section of apartments turned into condos in the entire city where these faucets are still in use. So they'll pay me to run around trying to see if there's any left or a replacement.

All behind those faucets are either a half wall with the lav cabinet or in other types are the water heater. From now on I'm only carrying what I have left, some cartridges. The callers after that are going to have a replacement and they'll need a tile guy to repair the hole because those faucets are too low on the tub for today's faucet spout or because it's too much problem going from the back.


Another brand is Danfoss tub/shower, I have 2 cartridges left I bought on sale and I think I'll take them off the truck. Only seen 2 houses with them in almost 4 years.
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I have a couple of reseat tools, several flat facing tools and one that cuts a new grove in an old seat so there is a raised sealing edge....I spin them in my cordless drill...I use them once in a blue moon.. they work well and do the trick..
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@Tango We carry all emco, sterling, waltec, Jameco, Galtmaster, Belanger, Tub and shower parts.. Moen of course, and when it comes to delta we just go pick up the right part..


If its before 1970 chances are its a Waltec , or a emco... if its pre 1950 its likely galtmaster in this area.. Also Dahl is popular around here too not for tub and shower but for partitions and other valves. and they have been around quite a while..


We do a lot of hi rise so once we figure out what they building has installed we keep spare parts for that building.. and I guess a lot of the same companies got the contracts so a lot of them have same parts installed..


If i was strictly residential.. Id keep Moen, delta faucet parts cup and spring shower catridges.. american standard tub and shower , and id keep 1 symmons shower valve on board.. waltec and emco stuff as well.. depends on how much of that you do...


Im surprised Quebec doesnt have a Nobel Trade or a Emco, Marks, or the like..
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Not all faucets have replaceable seats. Also, some faucet seats are irreplaceable because they are no longer made. But you all know this. You also know there are tools to grind/resurface the seat in old faucets. Seat resurfacing tool bits have a 3/8"-16NC female thread. Sexauer makes what i think is the best tool, but unlike most it takes a 1/4-?NS thread.


I happen to have some stainless ground/polished 3/8" rod just like the shaft of the sexauer tool so I made my own center stem that is compatible with the alignment pieces. But it's 3/8"-16NC so I can use my sexauer tool with the 3/8" bits.


The handle is 5/8" tool steel. I drilled the hole with a worn 3/8" bit so I could heat it up and get a shrink fit on the shaft. Threading the stainless 3/8" rod was definitely the hardest part. Excuse the pun!! lolz It kept slipping in my cordless drills chuck so I swapped on a keyed chuck from a milwaukee right angle drill.









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I admire that skill, but it becomes a viscious circle. How to gain the knowledge and skill when there are so few around to work on? The more I
work on repairs on old stuff, the more I am thinking that it is just preferable to replace it, for several reasons; parts availability, time, condition of the components, those pesky codes, my skill and experience, and more. I have had simple cartridge replacements (theoretically), that I wished I had just quoted to replace the whole faucet in the first place.

You guys with the skill can have the niche for those who want to keep the old fixtures for posterity, but those owners are few and far between. Who pours lead joints anymore? Sometimes progress is really progress, and not planned obsolescence.
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@Logtec Do you carry Danfoss, Emco and Waltec parts?

I have made the decision this week to stop trying to find and buy Emco and Waltec parts for those 2 handle tub/shower. These were the only faucet you can replace the seats anyway. I went to get a diverter replacement this week from a big box where I usually get and them they told me it was discontinued. I still can get it at Wolseley but it was my cue to stop. There's only a few houses and one section of apartments turned into condos in the entire city where these faucets are still in use. So they'll pay me to run around trying to see if there's any left or a replacement.

All behind those faucets are either a half wall with the lav cabinet or in other types are the water heater. From now on I'm only carrying what I have left, some cartridges. The callers after that are going to have a replacement and they'll need a tile guy to repair the hole because those faucets are too low on the tub for today's faucet spout or because it's too much problem going from the back.


Another brand is Danfoss tub/shower, I have 2 cartridges left I bought on sale and I think I'll take them off the truck. Only seen 2 houses with them in almost 4 years.
I carry a wide variety of seats, orings and washers- for a variety of brands(brands like Venom said).
I don’t change a lot of seats anymore, mostly cartridges now.

A few years back a Indy Supplier closed down, i was one of the lucky ones to get first crack at their stock.
I bought up a ton of repair parts, fittings, valves, solder, glue, etc..

The other day, a new liquidation store opened in Toronto. They were selling:
Korky fill valves $12 (nor $25)
Korky w/c kits $22 (nor $45)
Toto unvI. flappers $7 (nor $25)
I bought up all their inventory.
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I admire that skill, but it becomes a viscious circle. How to gain the knowledge and skill when there are so few around to work on? The more I
work on repairs on old stuff, the more I am thinking that it is just preferable to replace it, for several reasons; parts availability, time, condition of the components, those pesky codes, my skill and experience, and more. I have had simple cartridge replacements (theoretically), that I wished I had just quoted to replace the whole faucet in the first place.

You guys with the skill can have the niche for those who want to keep the old fixtures for posterity, but those owners are few and far between. Who pours lead joints anymore? Sometimes progress is really progress, and not planned obsolescence.

thats my thought, replace rather than repair, and many times the repair cost comes close to the replace cost if I have to run and spend time finding old parts and I express to the customer NO WARRANTY on fixing a 40 year old or older fixture..
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Not all faucets have replaceable seats. Also, some faucet seats are irreplaceable because they are no longer made. But you all know this. You also know there are tools to grind/resurface the seat in old faucets. Seat resurfacing tool bits have a 3/8"-16NC female thread. Sexauer makes what i think is the best tool, but unlike most it takes a 1/4-?NS thread.


I happen to have some stainless ground/polished 3/8" rod just like the shaft of the sexauer tool so I made my own center stem that is compatible with the alignment pieces. But it's 3/8"-16NC so I can use my sexauer tool with the 3/8" bits.


The handle is 5/8" tool steel. I drilled the hole with a worn 3/8" bit so I could heat it up and get a shrink fit on the shaft. Threading the stainless 3/8" rod was definitely the hardest part. Excuse the pun!! lolz <img src="https://www.plumbingzone.com/images/smilies/biggrin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Biggrin" class="inlineimg" /> It kept slipping in my cordless drills chuck so I swapped on a keyed chuck from a milwaukee right angle drill.









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I admire that skill, but it becomes a viscious circle. How to gain the knowledge and skill when there are so few around to work on? The more I
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You guys with the skill can have the niche for those who want to keep the old fixtures for posterity, but those owners are few and far between. Who pours lead joints anymore? Sometimes progress is really progress, and not planned obsolescence.
Most of the time (for me) a repair is more profitable, when you factor in time spent and materials (w/ mark up).

I Rarely supply clients with faucets in Toronto, there is a lot of higher end faucets. ppl usually want to try to fix before replace. Which now works out to A service call + time to get The cartridge + mark up.
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I have replaced cartridges at the insistence of the customer, that I wouldn't guarantee because of the condition of the faucet, and have had to end up replacing the faucet anyway. They paid me twice. That was when I was stupid(er), and would give them the option. Now that I smartened up a little I tell them I won't do it unless they replace the faucet, when it is obvious that it is in poor condition. They can pay me the service fee and find someone else to try to replace the cartridge. I'd rather listen to them beatch about that than have them beatch when I gave them a choice and THEY made the decision to try the cheap way despite my recommendation. Then they're still not happy when it doesn't work out because they wanted to gamble.
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