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Old 03-26-2020, 04:39 PM   #1
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Default Delta 1300/1400 Series Tub and Shw. Valve

Have any of you guys run into a Delta tub {or shower} valve that has the RP 19804 cartridge in it and it is quite difficult to remove?

I had one on Wednesday {yesterday} and as I was attempting to remove it, it was coming out in little pieces. I have heard from my plumbing buddy here in town that Delta doesn't make an extraction tool.

This particular Delta valve, depending on when it was manufactured, has the exact same identical looking cartridge except that one is slightly shorter than the other one.
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Sometimes I can transfer photos from my I phone to this site, and sometimes I can't.



Have any of you run into this? Where the cartridge is extremely difficult to remove?
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looks like this guy had fun too..
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have you ever seen the slide hammer for auto body work? I would make a heavy duty hook for the end, then just hoof it into the cartridge any way possible then just bang away, I might even give a LITTLE heat just to get the rubber seals to let go...but not enough to melt anything..
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Have any of you run into this? Where the cartridge is extremely difficult to remove?



Yeah, there're quite a number of those around here, and like you've seen the pbv portion gets stuck in and comes out in pieces.



Maybe loop some picture hanging wire around the back and twist both free ends around a beater so you can use it like a lever. Otherwise just use needle nose pliers and pull.














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[quote=skoronesa;1232360]Yeah, there're quite a number of those around here, and like you've seen the pbv portion gets stuck in and comes out in pieces.



Maybe loop some picture hanging wire around the back and twist both free ends around a beater so you can use it like a lever. Otherwise just use needle nose pliers and pull.
















I get those cartridges that are frozen to rotate side to side 1st, then I pull them out.

When they are frozen, I break it loose first by rotating them side to side. Trying to pull them straight out first won't work if it's frozen.


I thought some of you had a tool that you made. I don't run into these Deltas that much. But I still may make some type of tool to make it easier in the future to yank them free.
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When I've run into the situation of them not coming out easily by hand on the first few attempts, and before attempting to tear it up, I've had luck by reinstalling the retainer ring to hold the cartridge in loosely, like where it would only have a chance to move about an 1/8 of an inch, then briefly bumping the water supply on to help push the cartridge out a bit.

If you don't want to or can't bump the water on, unscrew the shower head, MacGyver up something to attach to the neck and blow the cartridge out. I've had to do this when the house shutoff was difficult to turn on only slightly. I used a 1/2 pex female adapter with a short piece of 1/2 pex going to a 1/2x3/4 pex coupling, then 3/4 pex going to a male adapter which I screwed into an old pressure gauge that I aired up with a hand pump.
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This particular Delta valve, depending on when it was manufactured, has the exact same identical looking cartridge except that one is slightly shorter than the other one.
Yep I deal with those frequently, I carry those before 2005 or so and the newer ones and I also carry another rarity I seen only a couple of times. They are defiantly tough to get them out on occasion. Then I found out the hard way with seized bonnets and also seized handles.

Wigggle and more wiggle and I get them out. Oh now you've got me thinking to make a tool!
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If you feel comfortable putting some heat on the body, that can loosen them up. Or take a ratty old screwdriver, heat it up red hot and slowly push it in, melting it to the point you can get the balancing spool out. Then you might be able to grab the pieces with a pair of needle nose and twist the pieces out.
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