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RealLivePlumber · 11-14-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GREENPLUM

BS,

Ain't no homeowner gonna run on down to the depot on a Sunday morning and pick up a 4" cast iron combo to tie in his new illegal basement bathroom, now is there?

Of course its more professional.

**ILPlumber** · 11-14-2009, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GREENPLUM

BS,

That is opinion. Not BS.

You made a completely useless post.

GREENPLUM · 11-14-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealLivePlumber

Ain't no homeowner gonna run on down to the depot on a Sunday morning and pick up a 4" cast iron combo to tie in his new illegal basement bathroom, now is there?

Of course its more professional.

that scenario is like the 10,000 other's any one with half a brain can make up. I understand you think your more professional because you use CI, but you might want to step down from your high horse and look at things with a more opened mind. I also understand that the older you are the more frightened you are of change in the biz. You old timers should be scared of us new Plumbers, why, because I run circles around your slow azz, I take your contacts and cut you out with faster time and better price. You might argue that your quality is better but we both know thats BS, time is money and customers are looking at the bottom line so hold on to your CI tight because your gonna get cut out with it.

Look people I know cast has its place but if its not a high rise or industrial building , bet your azz its PVC ,, around here anyway.

GREENPLUM · 11-14-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ILPlumber

That is opinion. Not BS.

You made a completely useless post.

I understand its a opinion,,duh
thanks for buttin in with your normal BS

MT Plumber · 11-14-2009, 02:28 PM

Couple other interesting tidbits, especially for the PVC fans out there:

PVC is only rated to 140F
ABS is rated to 180F
NH is limited to the neoprene in the couplings, 165F if I remember correctly. Higher temp couplings are available at a high cost, but we've tested the standard ones in boiling water for hours and no distortion or melting. Not sure where they get their specs.
ABS was actually formulated for building sewers, PVC was not.
Flame spread of ABS vs. PVC is still being argued by engineers, AFAIK

Bummer is that in MT we can't get ABS for some stupid reason, nobody carries it that I can find. My thinking is: A) there is more profit in selling PVC and B) ABS has to be stored inside because of the UV issues, and our pipe supply houses are too lame to carry it and C) they wouldn't sell any more primer!!

So, for commercial drainage where you might get higher temp water discharge it's either NH or copper, or freight in some ABS. Other installs PVC ok.

**ILPlumber** · 11-14-2009, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GREENPLUM

I understand its a opinion,,duh
thanks for buttin in with your normal BS

No problem your highness.

I will butt in as I see fit. I enjoy responding to useless comments.

I believe your opinion of me is in the vast minority. I could be wrong though.

You have 5 minutes to form a post before it times out. Try to think of something intelligent to say. Thanks.

TheMaster · 11-14-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tieger plumbing

I strictly use cast iron hub cast iron / or XH when the accounts are willing to pay the difference.

The reasoning I use cast iron is

1- No toxic
2- easy to recycle
3- Quiet
4- I use long sweeps on drainage thus much easier to snake waster jet then a PVC ell
5- Can support heavier loads (under ground)and requires must less clevis hangers
6- every joint is a possible clean out
7- NHCI can be installed even with waste still flowing and under water
8- Looks a lot more professional, then coming to a job with a hack saw and can of glue and primmer that anyone can put together with 2 minutes of training
9- Does not support combustion
10- Can be installed in direct sun light

I still use cast iron roof drains on 100% of my jobs, inside caulk by choice conections not because the code wont allow it I also use 4 PSF sheet lead for these drain installations as well as shower pans.

In 41 years of plumbing I refuse to put in a plastic roof drain /floor flange /floor drain

Plastic has its uses such as chemical waste and lawn furnature

Actually If one wants the best of both weorlds use the plastic for venting (not through the roof) and use CI for drainage

Pvc if installed properly it is superior to cast iron in a residental setting. PERIOD. Sorry to burst your bubble. I've also seen alot of ornamental yard art made from cast iron so its good in the garden too.

Redwood · 11-14-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaster

Pvc if installed properly it is superior to cast iron in a residental setting. PERIOD. Sorry to burst your bubble. I've also seen alot of ornamental yard art made from cast iron so its good in the garden too.

Cast Iron makes good scrap to sell to the Chinese too...

GREENPLUM · 11-14-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILPlumber

No problem your highness.

I will butt in as I see fit. I enjoy responding to useless comments.

I believe your opinion of me is in the vast minority. I could be wrong though.

You have 5 minutes to form a post before it times out. Try to think of something intelligent to say. Thanks.

seems I struck a nerve

**ILPlumber** · 11-14-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GREENPLUM

seems I struck a nerve

Negative on the nerve strikeage. I'm not sure I have nerves anymore.

I think you know me well enough to know, I tell it like I see it.

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11-14-2009, 02:28 PM	#115
MT Plumber Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bozeman MT Posts: 10 My Photos	Couple other interesting tidbits, especially for the PVC fans out there: PVC is only rated to 140F ABS is rated to 180F NH is limited to the neoprene in the couplings, 165F if I remember correctly. Higher temp couplings are available at a high cost, but we've tested the standard ones in boiling water for hours and no distortion or melting. Not sure where they get their specs. ABS was actually formulated for building sewers, PVC was not. Flame spread of ABS vs. PVC is still being argued by engineers, AFAIK Bummer is that in MT we can't get ABS for some stupid reason, nobody carries it that I can find. My thinking is: A) there is more profit in selling PVC and B) ABS has to be stored inside because of the UV issues, and our pipe supply houses are too lame to carry it and C) they wouldn't sell any more primer!! So, for commercial drainage where you might get higher temp water discharge it's either NH or copper, or freight in some ABS. Other installs PVC ok.